The ole keep 'em uneducated and underpaid method.... I agree that is a typical corporate personnel practice, but not MY corporation. We get decent training( my latest 2 classes were for Checkpoint firewalls) and a lot of responsibilities, but still no pay. The 'typical behavior' represented here is 'the job market is weak, so get all you can for as little as possible, ethics be damned'.. The point being that the grass isn't necessarily greener just because training is decent. Bigger headaches and longer days that come with raising the responsibility bar pretty well balances out the advantage of getting good training classes. Good training will only be to a networker's advantage if the job market strengthens again. And with all the boot camps and ITTs of the world flooding that market, who knows if that will happen anytime soon.
Just my 2 cents.... Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP -----Original Message----- From: Marc Maxwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091] I would be curious to know what type of contractual obligation is involved here. I would be willing to look at *something*, as long as it wasn't too binding (yeah right). And I *haven't* seen companies pay for training, at least not this (the good kind, that advances your career). Many if not most companies make it clear that they want you to stay whereever you are at. Marc >From: "Cisco Nuts" >Reply-To: "Cisco Nuts" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091] >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:54:41 -0500 > >That's right. A CCNA could potentially make more than $50K (with skills >though) > >Here is what I don't understand: Jason states that his company is >looking(note) for people while Sean mentions that you do have to actually >sign up(note) for their program which he adds is not cheap?? > >So basically, looks like people will first have to shell out this huge >dough out of their pocket to get an intership thru this company......... > > > > >From: "Steven A. Ridder" >Reply-To: "Steven A. Ridder" >To: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... >[7:36091] >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:50:16 -0500 > >A CCNA makes more >than 50k. And you wouldn't have to pay your company to >work for them and >get training. Most companies pay you and pay for your >training. > >-- > >RFC 1149 Compliant. > >""Sean Knox"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I've taken some classes >at ICTP. From what I gather, their CCIE intern > > program works like >this: you sign up for their CCIE program (which is not > > cheap I should >add) and when you pass your CCIE written/lab (I vaguely > > remember that >the CCIE written pass is all you need), you can work as a > > >subcontractor for ICTP. You make substantially less money than a CCIE is > > > "worth", (I believe around $50,000, don't quote me on that) but for >those > > with little or no experience (i.e., people enrolling in this >program), it > > works out really well. Hopefully Mr. Lee could explain >the program more in > > detail. > > > > - Sean > > > > -----Original >Message----- > > From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: >Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:34 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... [7:36091] > > > > > > Perhaps >its a new look on recruiting, they train u, get a slice of the > > dough >for awhile?? Just speculating of course.. > > > > Brian > > > > On Thu, >21 Feb 2002, Cisco Nuts wrote: > > > > > And upon finishing the program, >how many years of slavery will we > > > unfortunate ones be indebted to >your gracious company? :-) > > > Can you clarify this?? > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jason Lee" > > > >Reply-To: "Jason Lee" > > > >To: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: CISCO INTERNSHIP.....CCIE..... >[7:36091] > > > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0500 > > > > > > > >Hi >all, > > > > > > > >My name is Jason Lee I currently work for ICTP >located in anaheim > > > >california > > > >we are currently looking for >few candidates to go through our very > > intense > > > >cisco training, >also to note that upon finishing the program CEA (cisco > > > >expert >academy)you can be eligible for an internship... we have > > information > > > > >session going on every other friday, so if this sounds interesting >to > > you, > > > >or if you need a lab to study for the ccie or ccnp >please give me a >call. > > > > > > > >Jason Lee > > > >IT specialist > > > > >714-783-1083 > > > >www.ICTP.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > >misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=36122&t=36091 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
