I'm sure the recent CCIE's can attest to the Quality of paper that their recognition is printed on. Heck, at least my MCSE and MCT certifiacates LOOK like a huge dollar bill.
Elmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Neiberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Quality of Cisco exams [7:38063] > By that reasoning Cisco should put Appletalk, IPX, X.25, ATM > LANE, and even Decnet back into their exams. > > On a certification exam, I don't think it's helpful to have a > number of questions on equipment that Cisco doesn't even sell > anymore. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any, but if they're > going to go through the trouble of creating a new exam, it > might be helpful not to focus too much on older products and > technologies. > > Maybe they should come up with a CCNA-Legacy certification that > would include questions specific to the AGS routers and IOS > 10.0. :-) > > Besides, my point wasn't based on just this issue. I base my > opinion on having taken eight Cisco exams and seeing firsthand > the quality of their questions. It's readily apparent that > many of them contain a large number of poorly written questions > and/or poorly written answers. > > But, that's just my opinion, and that's barely worth the paper > it's printed on. :-) > > Regards, > John > > > > ---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Tshon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to > one prepare > > you for anything that > > is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life > doesn't > > gaurantee that you > > won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that > you are > > prepared to represent > > their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding > about the > > equipment > > and you run into it, what's your suggestion.... just replace > it, it > > might work perfectly well, but we'll > > replace it because you aren't familiar!!!! The test and the > labs as > > John knows are not > > if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots > of > > technology that has been around. > > the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to > be > > prepared for it all, in the > > end you need to be prepared to use your resources and > understand > > quickly. A company > > might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why > whine the test > > > > shows you > > what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and > bone up, > > then you'll > > pass. > > > > Tshon > > > > John Neiberger wrote: > > > > >If Cisco is asking questions about products that have been > > >EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I > just > > >don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent test. > > > > > >Here's a suggestion for Cisco: > > > > > >Follow this list and the CCIE list for a week. Compile a > list > > >of the top 30 posters, with special considerations for the > > >people who tend to answer most often. From that list, > randomly > > >pick ten, then pay them to write 30 test questions each. > > > > > >I promise you that the end result would be 300 questions > that > > >are higher quality than a majority of the questions Cisco > has > > >on their current exams. Repeat this process for each new > exam > > >needed. > > > > > >Now _that_ would be a killer beta test! > > > > > >Regards, > > >John > > > > > >---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert Padjen > > >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > >>Greetings all - > > >> > > >>I have a discussion point that I am curious to get > > >>feedback on from the group. I recently took another > > >>Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the > > >>questions. > > >> > > >>For example, at least four questions regarded products > > >>that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some > > >>time ago. Other questions included choices that don't > > >> > > > > > >>exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router > > >>for serial connections (it was a switch that does not > > >>have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no > > >>reasonable way to answer them without having > > >>previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. > > >> > > >>My observation is that this is bad for us as > > >>certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests > > >>and represent to our employers that they represent a > > >>certain level of professionalism, I think I have a > > >>real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding > > >>poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am > > >>concerned about this for non-native English speakers > > >>taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that > > >>the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is > > >>not the first test (production or beta) that I have > > >>noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, > > >>VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to > > >>be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. > > >> > > >>Please share your thoughts. > > >> > > >>BTW - If this is considered an OT item please > > >>disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding > > >>and then address the issue with Cisco if there is > > >>agreement that there is an issue. As the content of > > >>the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the > > >>potential benefits are valued. > > >> > > >>===== > > >>Robert Padjen > > >> > > >>__________________________________________________ > > >>Do You Yahoo!? > > >>Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > > >>http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to > one > > prepare you > > for anything that > > is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life > doesn't > > gaurantee > > that you > > won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that > you are > > prepared > > to represent > > their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding > about > > the equipment > > > > and you run into it, what's your suggestion.... just replace > it, it > > might > > work perfectly well, but we'll > > replace it because you aren't familiar!!!! The test and the > labs > > as John > > knows are not > > if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of > > technology > > that has been around. > > the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to > be > > prepared > > for it all, in the > > end you need to be prepared to use your resources and > understand > > quickly. > > A company > > might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why > whine the > > test > > shows you > > what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and > bone > > up, then > > you'll > > pass. > > > > Tshon > > > > John Neiberger wrote: > > > > If Cisco is asking questions about products > that have > > been EOLed then they need to get some new test > authors. :-) I just > > don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent > > test.Here's a suggestion for Cisco:Follow > this list and > > the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list of the top 30 > posters, > > with special considerations for the people who tend to > answer most > > often. From that list, randomly pick ten, then pay them > to write 30 > > test questions each.I promise you that the end result > would be > > 300 questions that are higher quality than a majority of > the > > questions Cisco has on their current exams. Repeat this > process for > > each new exam needed.Now _that_ would be a killer > beta > > test!Regards,John---- On Wed, 13 Mar > 2002, Robert > > Padjen ( > href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > > Greetings all -I have a discussion > point that I > > am curious to getfeedback on from the group. I recently > took > > anotherCisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at > > thequestions.For example, at least four questions > regarded > > productsthat no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them > sometime > > ago. Other questions included choices that don't > > > > > > > > exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) > series > > routerfor serial connections (it was a switch that does > nothave > > a WIC slot). Still more questions had noreasonable way to > answer > > them without havingpreviously read or learned specific > Cisco > > materials.My observation is that this is bad for us > > ascertification holders. And, since we pay for the > testsand > > represent to our employers that they represent acertain > level of > > professionalism, I think I have areal issue. The issues > are not > > complaints regardingpoor writing or syntax on the exam, > although I > > amconcerned about this for non-native English > speakerstaking the > > English exam. Rather, I am concerned thatthe test is > outdated even > > when its in beta. This isnot the first test (production > or beta) > > that I havenoted this with. I still haven't seen tests on > > MPLS,VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem > tobe > > relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. r>Please share your thoughts.BTW - If this > is > considered an OT > > item pleasedisregard. It is my hope to gain some > > understandingand then address the issue with Cisco if > there > > isagreement that there is an issue. As the content > ofthe tests > > is of concern to all of us I hope that thepotential > benefits are > > valued.=====Robert > > > Padjen__________________________________________________ > Do > > You Yahoo!?Try FREE Yahoo! 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