Cisco claims that the CCIE lab has recently been updated to include more relevant and real world topic than ever before. Also, I am saying all this as a 3rd party as I have never experienced the lab.
-- RFC 1149 Compliant. ""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > FWIW, I know of plenty of people who made it to day two, and even into > troubleshooting, and came away empty. > > I might agree with your point about technology, except that it should be > pretty apparent that certain technologies that Cisco deems important ( and > many of Cisco's large customers as well ) cannot be tested given the current > equipment and images. Nor are certain important and forward looking > technologies touched at all. > > Yes the test is hard. Yes IMHO the one day lab is more difficult than the > two day lab because there are a number of things that used to be minor that > now have a lot more points associated with them. But just because the test > is hard doesn't necessarily mean it's relevant. > > Chuck > > > ""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > The CCIE lab is just as difficult as before. They just don't test you on > > troublshooting. I once heard that no one who ever made it to the second > day > > failed. I can't say that it's true, but I don't doubt it. > Troubleshooting > > and cabling isn't CCIE level stuff. As for the old equipment, you aren't > > tested on the product line. It's the technology that's important. > Dosen't > > matter what equipment it runs on. > > > > -- > > > > RFC 1149 Compliant. > > > > > > ""Yahoudi"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > should anyone be surprised that Cisco too is becoming victim to the > > > certification craze? > > > > > > 1) cert tests for everything under the sun > > > > > > 2) reduction of the CCIE Lab from two days to one > > > > > > 3) obsolete and EOL'd equipment in the Lab > > > > > > 4) lower level tests that have too many filler questions centered around > > > marketing materials > > > > > > 5) poorly worded questions? sometimes I wonder if this is just the > excuse > > of > > > those who don't really know the materials, but since I know your work, > > > Robert, in your case I will accept your judgement on this > > > > > > It would be impossible for Cisco to test for everything out there - old > > and > > > new. The question becomes this: is any certification forward looking or > > > backwards looking? Face it, the whole reason for certification is for > > > companies to go to the marketplace and show potential buyers that if > they > > > buy a particular company's products, there are plenty of people around > who > > > can work on it. This goes for any technology - from Microsoft to Linux > to > > > Cisco to anyone. Certification is nothing more than a marketing tool, > and > > > one more means to help companies sell. If certification is too easy, > then > > > sure, there is some marketplace backlash, but if certification is too > > hard, > > > requires too much expertise, too much experience, then that has negative > > > effects as well. > > > > > > One would hope that being a beta test, Cisco would throw out a lot of > the > > > bad questions just because their analysis shows them as bad questions. > But > > > you never can tell. I sometimes suspect that Cisco deliberately keeps a > > > certain percentage of bad questions in their exams just so that you have > > to > > > be smarter than the average bear to pass, because you have to do so much > > > better with the remainder. Does that make sense? > > > > > > > > > ""Robert Padjen"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Greetings all - > > > > > > > > I have a discussion point that I am curious to get > > > > feedback on from the group. I recently took another > > > > Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > For example, at least four questions regarded products > > > > that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some > > > > time ago. Other questions included choices that don't > > > > exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router > > > > for serial connections (it was a switch that does not > > > > have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no > > > > reasonable way to answer them without having > > > > previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. > > > > > > > > My observation is that this is bad for us as > > > > certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests > > > > and represent to our employers that they represent a > > > > certain level of professionalism, I think I have a > > > > real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding > > > > poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am > > > > concerned about this for non-native English speakers > > > > taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that > > > > the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is > > > > not the first test (production or beta) that I have > > > > noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, > > > > VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to > > > > be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. > > > > > > > > Please share your thoughts. > > > > > > > > BTW - If this is considered an OT item please > > > > disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding > > > > and then address the issue with Cisco if there is > > > > agreement that there is an issue. As the content of > > > > the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the > > > > potential benefits are valued. > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Robert Padjen > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Try FREE Yahoo! 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