Roger E. Blumberg wrote: > Humor me if you would. Take a pin or needle, grab it with pliers, .. > Smell like burning plastic?
Oh, we're definitely at a time long before plastic was invented. There's absolutely no doubt about that! Doc Rossi wrote: > An obvious point, but it would be a good idea to find out when João > Miguel Andade was building. The three or four instruments I have been able to locate are all dated to the late 19th C. although I can't say how well documented the datings are. The one at the Royal Northern College of Music may be the easiest one to obtain more specific information about. Given that no. 5 in my list seems to be identical to another of the models listed in the Zimmermann catalogue, I think it's safe to assume that Zimmermann got their instruments from Andarde which of course again means he was building them in 1899. ron fernandez wrote: >The other proof would be a catalogue from Alban Voigt.. Does anyone >>know anything about Alban Voigt and Company of London? What a wonderful thing Google is! I found a couple of instruments with the Voigt label, including three Andrade Portuguese guitars although one of them (no. 9 below) may be Ron's before he bought it. I'll begin with the summary: Alban Voigt imported and sold musical instruments to Egnland and the English colonies towards the end of the 19th C. His catalogue included some rather prestigious makers and it's possible he focused solely on the upper end of the market. His company seems to have been around in 1870, was certainly in business in 1900 and may have been gone by 1910. There were also at least two other Voigts that sold and/or built instruments. Kurt Voigt seems to have been German and was probably a distant relative or not related at all. Simon Voigt seems to have been English. Maybe he was Alban's son or something like that? The instruments I found are: 1) http://sinierderidder.free.fr/gb/mandolines/ceccherini.html A Ceccherini mandolin c. 1900 2) http://www.zavaletas-guitarras.com/files/collection.htm A Garcia guitar c. 1870 3) http://www.vintage-instruments.com/catalogs/mandolin.htm http://members.tripod.com/~Music_Treasures/cittern.htm 4) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7398284648 A banjo-lute (probably by Pollman and most likely from the 1890s). Apparently this had an unusual string configuration (the banjo-lute usually had five like a bluerass banjo). 5) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/MusicTreasures/cittern.htm Another Andrade Portuguese guitar! This one seems to be the mid-priced model listed by Zimmermann. Is Brazilian rosewood the same as palisander? 6) http://mywebpages.comcast.net/MusicTreasures/mandolin.htm Ceccherini mandolin c. 1900 7) http://www.rncm.ac.uk/docs/Library/hwm10.pdf Page 17: Yet another Andarde in the Royal Northern Colege of Music's instruments collection. More info about the collection at http://www.rncm.ac.uk/?_id=1102 8) (No link - the item has been removed from Ebay's database) A Garcia lyra-guitar offered for sale on Ebay April 2006. You may want to ask the Ebay seller (magginisupplies) for information. 9) http://www.invaluable.com/PartnerPages/Lot.aspx?SaleHouseID=1040349&SaleID=1114318&UNID=215142026 A fourth Andrade offer for sale in September 2005. Is this the one Ron bought? Some more information: 10) http://www.uk-piano.org/piano-forums/piano202.html Voigt sold Haake pianos in England in 1900. In 1910 Haake was sold by Crane & Sons. Does that mean Voigt was out of business by 1910? Had he just lost that particular maker? Did *both* companies import the same brand? Was Crane a retailer and Voigt the distributor? 11) http://people.freenet.de/Maultrommel/klassifikation.htm In 1925 somebody named Alban Voigt wrote an article about the history of the jews harp. Probably not the same person. Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com http://www.abc-notation.com http://www.tablatvre.com http://www.mandolin-player.com http://www.blues-harmonica.com http://www.irish-banjo.com http://www.blues-banjo.com http://www.roarogfrank.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
