> From: Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:49:56 +0200 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Andrade Portuguese guitarra > > Roger E. Blumberg wrote: > >> that's the point, we should be (pre-plastic). >> So what material is Ron's bound with if not plastic? What material is so >> bright white and pliable? > > Hmmm, since you put it that way... > It's not relevant for the dating of the instrument but it definitely is > an interesting question. > > They did have a selection of plastic like materials back then. Some were > made from rubber, some from milk of all things and some... I have no > idea really. > Of course, not knowing the consistency of the material we can't > completely rule out calluloid or pearloid or even mother-of-pear either > but I doubt any of those would be used. It simply wouldn't be practical > to use such hard materials for the lining. > I have one or two friends I can ask but perhaps some other list member > can help? David usually seems to be a wealth of information on such matters.
ya, David just chimmed in re celluloid. But now you make me wonder about its pliability in such thickness'. Would it be too brittle? Maybe it's still open for debate after all (what material that binding is made of). >> I can't get to your #9, > > not too important. Just a leftover sales ad from years ago with no pictures. > >> so far I haven't seen nothing that resembles Ron's Instrument though -- >> unless that unviewable #9 is. > > The only Portuguese guitar on my list that has pictures, is no. 5 and > I'd say it looks like a stripped down version of Ron's. (Compare it to > the Pereira just above it on the same page.) The fact that Ron's look a > bit more slender than the other on the pictures is probably simply > caused by the pictures taken with different focal lengths. > Anyway, ignoring the remote possibility of downright forgery we already > know these two instruments were built by the same manufacturer and sold > through the same distributor. We also already had information indicating > that Andrade built cheaper instruments than the one Ron has. we know it has a label claiming to be such and such, but that's about all really. >> Thanks (sincerely) for the research. > > You're welcome? > >> Love those two fretted fiddles too! ;-) > > The what? I didn't really have time to look closely at those pages myself... > > Oh these! Yes they're really cool. They're not fiddles though but rather > Streichzittern (bowed zithers). Used to be quite popular it's not hard > to find an old one for sale. You placed it strings up on a table and > played it with a bow. Came in three distinctively different shapes, this > one, an even more violin-like one and one with a heart shaped body. one of them has a chin-rest (now at least) but again I'll defer to what they're usually called. The general playing position is common to viols of course, and also a few violins in late 16th early 17th centuries (complete with being rested on top of a table-top while bowed. They look most like Arpeggione (Bogen Gitarren). Thanks Roger To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
