I just remember now: 
we already discussed this rose in April 2005. Then it led to conclusions about 
arrangements popular until now (fiddles, whistles, and cittern......)
It was speculative, though.....
Martina

 "David Kilpatrick" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Martina Rosenberger wrote:
> 
> >Sorry for the late comment: 
> >Peter Forrester told us about half a year ago how to copy such a metal rose. 
> >I've seen the same rose in different English Guittars, including the Gibson 
> >type with that ring tuners, so my feeling is that there was a manufacturer 
> >to deliver the roses to the luthiers.......
> >  
> >
> 
> You bet. It's probably not stamped, although it looks it. I would guess 
> it is moulded and then has flashing removed using a warding file to 
> clean up the piercings, before being gold plated. But it is definitely 
> mass produced, I would guess Birmingham or London, and the picture on 
> mine shows a couple, one playing a veille or hurdy-gurdy, the other a 
> side-flute, in early 18th century dress. I'll bet the original painting 
> or drawing the rose copies is a French pastoral one, because the veille 
> was not widely used in Britain.
> 
> 
> 
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