Sorry for the late comment: 
Peter Forrester told us about half a year ago how to copy such a metal rose. 
I've seen the same rose in different English Guittars, including the Gibson 
type with that ring tuners, so my feeling is that there was a manufacturer to 
deliver the roses to the luthiers.......
Martina

 "Roger E. Blumberg" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > From: "Roger E. Blumberg" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:56:01 -0700
> > To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: cittern <mailto:[email protected]>
> > Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Pedro Cabrals answer
> > 
> > 
> >> From: David Kilpatrick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >> 
> >> Roger E. Blumberg wrote:
> 
>  
> >>> Sounds purdy. I have seen, and love, that red. I wouldn't have guessed a
> >>> metal rose. 
> > 
> >> The metal rose is an essential part of the sound. It has been lost on
> >> many surviving guittars. Mine is complete and original. The sound it
> >> produces is a bit like a resonator, adding sustained vibration and
> >> connecting across the soundhole with an active element. If it gets
> >> loose, it buzzes like mad. I have to push a section down to seat it
> >> firmly sometimes and stop the vibration. The metal rose, like the
> >> Preston tuner, is part of the unique design of the English guittar.
> >> Plenty of citterns have no rose, or a wooden pattern, but only the
> >> English guittar has a cast brass rose mounted in an ivory or bone rim -
> >> as far as I know.
> > 
> > 
> > that's a very interesting and unexpected fine-point (albeit key-point).
> > Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> I just looked again at Ron's Preston.
> http://fernandezmusic.com/Images/Andrade%26Preston.gif
> 
> That really is a substantial chuck of metal! I do see how it would impact
> the sound.  
> 
> Wonder why the Portuguese neglected to copy that most important bit from the
> English models (if that's indeed where they got their inspiration from).
> 
> Do you have a picture of yours I could see? (Ron's is in pretty bad shape).
> 
> Thanks
> Roger
>  
> 
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