Patricia,
Apparently there is some confusion on your part as I am *not* the one who
asked for help with training books for new puppy owners. However, since you
addressed your remarks to me, I shall respond. I used the methods in both
the books I recommended to Cheryl and have consistently had EXCELLENT
results. Both books are based on using techniques that the dog
instinctively understands because they are derived from the ones first used
by its mother. The late Job Michael Evans was one of the foremost trainers
and writers in the dog world. As for his methods, which you don't really
seem to be able to recall in any detail, not being suitable for Cavaliers
---it may interest you to know that he has worked with many of them. In
fact, the picture on the back of "The Evans Guide To House Training" is of
Job holding a Tri-color Cavalier!
If I'd recommended a third book, without question it would have been one of
Carol Lea Bejamin's (author of "MOTHER KNOWS BEST, The Natural Way To Train
Your Dog", "SECOND HAND DOG, How To Turn Your's Into A First Rate Pet", "DOG
TRAINING FOR KIDS" and "PROBLEM DOGS"). She is a well known trainer and
multi award winning author who happens to share the same philosophy as Job
Michael Evens and John Ross (and many others) with regard to how dogs think
and the best approach to using this to our advantage in training them. Carol
Lea Bejamin, Job Michael
Evans and John Ross's methodology all stem from our developing an
understanding of dogs as pack animals and using this knowledge in our
training of them. There is nothing, including the basic 'Pavlovian' methods
you taut, that is considered as sensible and effective in its approach.
When you haven't read the books and are unfamiliar with the techniques they
endorse, why would you bother to post such an authoritative and critical
message to me for recommending them??
All the Best,
Susan
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Books suggested for new puppy owners
>Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:02:39 -0700
>
>Susan,
>I hope these books are based on positive re-enforcement training instead of
>verbal or physical punishment and as I recall in the Monk's books not every
>training method covered in their book is built on positive behavior
>modification. In fact, I think they use intimidation, control and fear
>which
>I totally disagree with for any dog but especially a cavalier king charles
>spaniel. I am not familiar with the Puppy Pre-school book. Here is a list
>of
>more current methods of positive training for dogs and their owners. The
>purely positive training method by Sheila Booth is the one I am most
>familiar with from Purely Positive Puppy class where all different breed of
>dogs excelled as early as day 2 of training. She used a variety of methods
>taken from these books to create her class.
>Purely Positive Training, Sheila Booth
>The Dog Owner's Problem Solver, Bower
>Don't Shoot The Dog, Karen Pryor
>Final Hope, Joubert
>Dogs are from Neptune, Jean Donaldson
>The Tellington TTouch, Linda tellington_- Jones with Sybil Taylor
>The Toolbox for Remodeling your Problem Dog, Ryan
> I hope this is helpful.
>Patricia Powers
>Pratt Cavaliers
>Beaufort, S.C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Van Winkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Books suggested for new puppy owners
>
>
> >Thanks, Susan. I'll order these.
> >Cheryl
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Susan Van Luchene
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:46 PM
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Books suggested for new puppy owners
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Cheryl,
> >>
> >> I have two favorites that I have used with great success myself.
> >> The first
> >> is a book on how to raise your puppy right from the start. It is called
> >> "PUPPY PRE-SCHOOL" and is written by husband and wife professional dog
> >> trainers John Ross and Barbara McKinney. Whereas most books begin with
> >> programs of training intended for puppies that are already 4 months of
>age
> >> or older this book begins with puppy rearing from eight weeks on.
> >> This book
> >> enables first time puppy owners to get a head start on good behavior.
>It
> >> even has a chapter on how to decide what the right breed for your
> >> family is.
> >> The chapter on crate training (ie, housebreaking) is one of the
> >> best I've
> >> seen --- very thorough and easily understood. The puppy reared on the
> >> Ross's methods will undoubtedly sail through puppy kindergarden
> >> classes and
> >> graduate with highest honors (all of mine have).
> >>
> >> The second book I love and recommend to others --- even if they already
> >> *know* how to housetrain a dog, is "THE EVANS GUIDE FOR HOUSETRAINING
>YOUR
> >> DOG" By Job Michael Evans. Job Michael Evans is a former Monk Of the
>now
> >> defunct New Skete Monestary of German Sherpard training fame. He
> >> co-authored the highly acclaimed training books by the Monks Of
> >> New Skete.
> >> His book on housetaining is simply the best ever written (IMHO)!
> >> I don't think there is a situation involving housebreaking that Evans
> >> doesn't address, including punishing after the fact. I think it
> >> would be an
> >> impossibility for someone to read this well written and highly
> >> readable book
> >> and fail to get the job of housetraining their puppy or dog done for
>once
> >> and for all. Hope this helps .....
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Susan
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
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