Hi, Peggy,
Thanks for this informative post.
Peggy Mickelson wrote:
> Not all dogs are at public stud (my definition of public stud means that anyone
>with the money and a bitch that meets specific criteria can use the dog), and not all
>the remaining dogs are available even
> at private treaty (the classic definition of private treaty is that any terms are
>agreed upon between the owners of the dogs involved in any prospective breeding...and
>the dog is not available to all
> comers). Some dogs are simply not available.
I don't have a difficulty with the concept of private treaty.
I would rather be told that the stud is unavailable as I HAVE been told
by one reputable breeder who said "he is young yet and I've only used
him twice and I really want to avoid the frequently used sire syndrome;
however if you want to use him next year that is fine".
In fact, it would be fine with me if the stud owner just didn't like the
prospective breeding; certainly their perogative to turn me down. I know
there will come a time when I have to say this to someone else; I know I
don't want my affix out there on a pup that is ill bred.
THIS is not the same thing.
I am also fine with someone who doesn't want their stud used at any
price as they want control of their affix. I understand this concept
(though don't always agree with it if it is a great line that would
benefit the breed) and accept it.
Both of these dogs are available to anyone for their price.
> I do not believe there is a bloodline in this country that is in demand that is
>not available...the dog may be across the country or otherwise difficult to reach,
>but almost all dogs can be used by
> working out an agreement to use fresh chilled. If not, there's bound to be another
>dog that is similarly bred and available one way or another.
> If an owner doesn't want to do fresh chilled, so the bitch owner may have to
>drive.....
> how determined are we?
I am determined enough that it looks like I'll be driving close to eight
hundred miles to breed to the stud of my choice. And, the fee is more
than reasonable.
> I did inquire about one dog who has yet to be used....the stud fee wasn't out of
>line, and there was no puppy back...but there was a requirement that the stud dog
>owner be allowed to purchase 2nd
> pick.......that was, to date, the very first time I'd ever heard of that "string"
>attached to a stud service. Yes, purchase...but as one who has a tendency to keep
>all the puppies that I think should be
> shown or bred, and who with extremely rare exceptions, sells the rest as pets, I was
>very put off by such a requirement.
I also have no problem if a stud owner likes the prospective breeding
and wishes to purchase a second pick but I prefer to have that said as a
possibility. I am happier to run on a couple for eight months or so if
I need to so do, and I hate the idea of pressure in making the decision
about which to pick too early. I would much prefer to say if I ran on
two and then let one go, I would give them a right of first refusal
should it be a show or breeding prospect.
This is especially true as Cavaliers grow slowly into maturity I am
finding and each line grows so differently.
> I don't think stud fees are out of line in the breed, at least not the ones I've
>inquired about. I have heard tales of people asking for more than $1000, but I've
>yet to meet anyone who has actually paid
> more than that.
How about $2500? I was quoted that.
> And I can't imagine paying an $800 or $1000 stud fee from a dog who has yet to
>produce >winning dogs and Champions.
The above quote was for a champion.
Suze
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Suze at Llawen Cavaliers
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to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica
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