I think that you are probably right that babies and puppies feel the pain. However, when I was a labor delivery RN, I often had to do the set up/assist for the circumcisions. It is true that the babies cried a lot. They started crying like that though, as soon as I would put them on what we called the "Circ Board" where they are laid down flat and retrained at the little wrists and ankles. They really didn't cry any louder or more during the actual circumcision. The puppies are sort of the same way. As soon as I start holding them in a restrained position, they start making their little crying sounds. For sure the moms in both species really suffer during those procedures. Myra Savant
>From: Liz Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] pain >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:24:23 EST > >In a message dated 1/14/2002 4:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > ...The vet says it's over before they know it >Vets also say the same when they dock tails and remove dew claws. And they >used to say the same about human circumcision. Now it seems they aren't >quite >so sure about any of it. If you ever hear those babies (human and canine) >scream, even if surgery is done on the days that are supposed to be >optimum, >you wonder. . . . It doesn't matter to me if they remember the pain or not. >They had it. And I have always wondered what that shock does to a newborn's >sensitive system. It can't help during those first few days of birth when >you >are trying to keep the room warm and no other hazards to have surgery. Just >my opinion. >Liz Gordon >Merrychase > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author.
