Many years ago when we raised German Shepherds, we would have the occasional dog whose ears didn't go up. We kept those dogs and obedience trained them to offset their ear problem. It was really fun to have a prospective buyer come to visit the puppy and be able to have it demonstrate it's obedience training. It was also really fun to have dogs who could be taught the basics in a couple of hours and who could be reliable on their sit stay after just a few lessons. Oh my. Either I'm just getting older, or cavalier are WAY different. I do find that it takes more repetitions. Myra
>From: "Susan A. Schlenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Restriction lifted >Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:14:25 -0400 > >Hi, Sarah, > While I truly question the need to use dogs as guards, the issue >of >training is an interesting one. If I go to buy an untrained two year >old riding pony, should I not pay less than I would for a well trained >hunter/jumper pony because of the hours of work involved in training? >If I were to buy a well trained agility dog who knew all the ropes and >could teach ME agility so to speak......should I pay the same as a tiny >pet puppy? <G> This is an interesting point. The trained animal is far >more likely to stay with the buyer as well. > If I were willing to go beyond what I teach my pups before they >leave >(at twelve weeks) and completely train a young pup just to CGC abilities >(at the eighty percent response level) and house train the pup, I would >expect to get a bit more for my time. After all, I would then be doing >what the buyer would pay for if they spend the next six months training, >etc. (Of course then I would be selling older pet pups). I would >expect to pay more for a well trained show dog as well; the cost of >training in time and money is/can be enormous. As it is, I keep pups >until twelve weeks to give them training and socialization before they >leave and don't raise prices for that. I think my prices match the low >end in our area. > However, I don't know anyone at the moment selling young pups >trained >to CGS and completely house trained. I also don't know many well >trained show dogs for sale. I would have LOVE to find that someone was >offering a trained obedience/show dog if I were starting out. I doubt >that many breeders will offer this, however, as most have not the time >or energy........training is a whole other business. Actually I would >love to see this happen as I think that not only would the public like >it, but the abandonment/return rate of trained dogs is far lower. That >is the premise of Brian Kilcommons work in shelters in which he is >helping to start up training courses for placeable rescues; the idea >being that they will get adopted and find a "forever" home much more >quickly. > > On the other hand, I don't differentiate in price between a pet >puppy >and a "show quality" puppy when I sell them. Someone must have a better >crystal ball than do I, because I can not be sure that they will turn >out in the end to be "show quality" when they leave at twelve weeks. >Much can go wrong in growth and especially temperament. > I really agree that if we raise prices for tiny, untrained pet >puppies >to "market level" we are doing a disservice to the breed; people will >turn to pet stores very fast. > > >Suze >Furkids wrote: > > > > This question of values came up at our employee Christmas party last >year > > as one of the bosses raises mastiffs. He trains them as gaurd dogs and > > sells each for $30,000. YEs that is thirty i did not make an error in > > typing. > > > > Sarah > > > > 4/12/02 3:20 PM, PAMoesinger at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Laura, > > > People quote prices higher for "untypical" show specimens! LOL > > > pam > > >> I agree. Personally I think it is even nuts for a show dog--unless >it is > > >> TRULY great! Do people actually charge more than $3000 for a >*typical* > > >> quality show dog--either in the States or the UK? > > >> > > >> Laura Lang > > >> Roycroft Cavaliers > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original >author. > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > >-- >Suze at Llawen Cavaliers >"...I have seen that in any great undertaking it is not enough for a man >to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica >"Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing Bear > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. 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