We host e-mail for schools, business's, etc. It's not feasible to
enforce blocking .exe's and keep customers. Simple economics.
Support costs are an issue and it's a small trade off in this incident
to go blocking the gif route.

Dee


On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 09:16, Thomas Lamy wrote:
> Antony Stone wrote:
> > On Saturday 20 September 2003 4:54 pm, Daniel J McDonald wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 10:40, Antony Stone wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>>A gif is not a virus, so it should not be detected by an anti-virus
> >>>program.
> >>>
> >>>Anyway, what's the point?   Why bother blocking a 'damaged' copy of a
> >>>virus, where 'damaged' actually means 'missing'?
> >>
> >>Do you want to receive 200 of these mails, like I did last night?
> >>
> >>Do you want your clueless users calling you all day asking why they
> >>can't find the patch that Microsoft e-mailed them?
> > 
> > 
> > Are you suggesting that you allow emails with a .exe attachment to be 
> > delivered?
> > 
> > I regard that as a sufficient reason to block an email, whether the .exe is a 
> > virus or not.
> > 
> > The zero-length attachments on Gibe.F emails I've seen so far have all had 
> > .exe extensions, so they get blocked by my server (although for a different 
> > reason) just the same as the real ones.
> > 
> This might work for you, but I for one have to manage an ISP's mail 
> server and an AV mail exchanger, where users _want_ to get non-virus 
> .exe attachments (either if they have noe clue, or aren't willing to 
> educate .exe senders. After all, they're paying for hassle-free internet 
> and mail access).
> There are other/greater ISPs and portals (IIRC freenet.de, 
> sourceforge.net), which also can't completely block .exe's. Maybe Marian 
> Eichholz [freenet.de] can sched some light on their policies.
> 
> > I still maintain that a gif is not a virus, and therefore shouldn't be 
> > recognised by an antivirus program, however the beauty of Open Source is that 
> > you can change it if you want to, so feel free to create your own signature 
> > for the gifs if you want, and put them in the ClamAv directory.
> > 
> > I don't think such signatures will make it into the general distribution, 
> > though.
> It's nearly the same discussion as with damaged sobig.f's with damaged 
> attachments. Technical, these mails weren't virii, but crap. Crap which 
> may make (not completely) uneducated users (like bosses) say: "Huh, this 
> is a virus. I thought we have an email virus scanner? Sysadmin, what 
> crappy av software are you using?"
> I thought we came down to that this behaviour, although technically 
> correct, may give clamav a bad attitude (which clamav does not deserve).
> 
> For this reason, I'm +1 for creating a signature which matches the gif. 
> At least temporary.
> 
> 
> Thomas
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