Damien, 

This is just an aside. Thanks for the question. 

I have not even tried Clojure, yet. So, this is good for me to follow. BTW, 
I have done Java (since the '90s) and so know of the 'coffee' stains 
everywhere. Yet, given the Lisp basis, I want to see how to make Clojure 
easier for the causal user. In fact, I got engineers to use Lisp (it was 
easy); I know of a whole category that don't want to cowboy code; to me, 
Clojure looks like a natural fit. Too, I am also now aware of serious 
Clojure work and successes. 

Already, I am thinking that I will have to have my developers and their 
user's systems call out to a server (various options) where my developers 
control all of that. But, I do not want to get ahead of things. Paying for 
the delay will be worth avoidance of the 'jar-like' issues. Again, not 
jumping ahead. But, Python was so easy to install. 

And so, I'm creating a basis (control, if you would). Take JavaScript 
(please). With only SeaMonkey (and its Composer), in about an hour, I coded 
a system that I had thought about, for a while. Write the code in Composer; 
re-load the file in the browser. With no IDE, it got tedious, as there is 
no feedback. But there are ways to handle the strain (decades of 
development work). We have become too IDE dependent. Of course, Emacs is 
there, but I am trying to target the occasional, and very much casual, 
developer (a very large class) with something other than toy stuff. 

I have a couple more to do; all of these will be matched against Clojure 
when the ducks get in order. Of course, the comparison will be with using 
Clojure as a frontend extension. 

Yet, the ease was that great. Code JavaScript; load the file (having split 
the JavaScript into a js file - one could embed the code in the HTML). I 
had to install nothing (except SeaMonkey to get its little editor). I did 
grab some time by using those interpreter windows at the tutorial sites. 
Nice feature. You code and modify. Just remember to pull the text down to 
your file. 

Wait! Yes, I did do that at one of the Clojure tutorial sites. Wrote my own 
stuff and tried it out. 

There are different hats to be worn for admin versus coding versus knowing 
how parameter mixes match up. 

When you get this settled, will you summarize for us newbies? 

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