I think that he made a good point, despite his rantings. As an experienced java developer, these are the steps I took while setting my environment up and running. - downloaded the jar, launched java -jar clojure.jar. I was able to fiddle with the repl, but when it came to code something dependent from external libraries (clojure-contrib, for example), I found myself forging my classpath by hand. This is definitely something java developers are not accustomed to anymore. Every java developer that i know is using an IDE that manages the classpath for him. - relying on lein to manage the deps for me. It is something specific to learn, and I understand it may not be a correct solution. Moreover, I found it difficult to do interactive development from the repl with lein. - tried vimclojure with nailgun. Besides the non-trivial task of installing vimclojure, I was back to the "manual classpath hell".
Now, i'm using maven with the clojure plugin, especially the clojure:nailgun goal. It's by far the simplest solution I found. I also tried CounterClockWise along the way, but was not convinced. So, besides the JVM installation issues that I did not experienced, since I'm used to have a JVM on every computer, there are still many issues to set up a decent working environment. A package containing clojure, maven and a wrapper around it designed to create new projects easily may be way of making Clojure acceptable for newbies coming from anywhere (java or whatever). I'm now considering getting back to counterclockwise, especially because I'm planning to write a tutorial covering all major aspects of clojure, including the initial set up. By the way, if someone has an idea about a sample application (simple, but not trivial) which could lead the tutorial, and show different aspects of the language, let me know ! I was thinking about a more complete and idiomatic version of Vincent Foley's "Fetching web comics" tutorial, but something more "enterprisey" seems more adequate. --Ronan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
