Okay my 2 cent, just because I like long threads: Clojure as 2 'noob attraction problems'
1) it has no simple setup that just works (I wonder if I can say 'just works' too often but I doubt it). Neither EMACS, nor Eclips, nor Netbeans, nor IntelliJ just work all have their quirks and most of them I personally found rather annoying especially if you just want to learn 2) It is not actually a clojure problem, but the noobs are not actually noobs, they are 'posioned' by a Java and C# world where they are told to make objects instead of anonymous functions and that you can't do Integer + int but need to wrap it in ugly type casts (I know that ain't true any more but show me one IT teacher at highschools who actually knows what is up to date and does not teach with rather prehistoric methods - I had IT with Modula (I doubt many of you even know what this is) and that isn't that long ago!). Don't get me wrong many of the things people learn are still good but, big BUT, clojure is a lisp and that makes it different and for many simple minded individuals different is bad. I claim if you start to teach someone programming (who hasn't seen Java, C#, Ruby, Perl or whatever before) with Clojure there isn't that big of a noob problem. Our noob problem is that this sneaky people aren't as nooby as they claim, they are semi noobs! We should shoot them all, okay just kidding here :) no they are more then welcome just it is a different set of problem in my eyes. Regards, Heinz -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
