> Just to keep in touch with our marvelous legal systems in North America, read > this: ... > how much I am frustrated by this shattered world....
Indeed! The law is nothing but an overly complex, haphazardly designed, historically encrufted programming language for morals. Its compiler is frighteningly well-maintained, though. On Oct 6, 6:24 pm, Softaddicts <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> wrote: > It works for Oracle because they have the $$$ to support it. You just > confirmed > that we are on the same wavelength, they have the weapons to nail anyone who > would like to exercise exclusive rights on some contribution made under their > CA > even if that individual lives in Kazakhstan. > > They have the infra structure and several offices in various > Countries and continents to cover their ass. > > Just to keep in touch with our marvelous legal systems in North America, read > this: > > http://hrdailyadvisor.blr.com/archive/2010/08/20/Epinions_Employment_... > > The first question/answer is pretty instructive. It's easier to avoid the > whole issue > with a piece of paper. Maybe in ten years things will have settled somehow. > The above is dated from 2010 that's not far away. > > I will not anything else to this thread, the world is as it is. I you think > that you are > frustrated, maybe we should have a drink together and I could explain how > much I am frustrated by this shattered world.... > > Do you expect to drop at the Conj ? > > Luc > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/10/7 Softaddicts <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> > > > > The validity of a scanned signature or electronic keys is subject to > > > interpretation > > > and assessment on a per case basis especially in civil contracts by the > > > diverse > > > legal systems on Earth. > > > > It's not the Clojure community that is behind, it's the legal systems of > > > many countries > > > that did not follow the pace of technology. Some will not recognize > > > scanned signatures > > > at all. > > > > On the other hand, original hand written signatures are recognized almost > > > every where. > > > A reminder: scans work for Oracle and ASF. Oracle probably has x100 as many > > lawyers as > > Clojure/core, lawyers several times as experienced and about x10,000 times > > as much experience with this stuff as a company. And it works for them. > > > > As much as you complain about the paper CA, you should complain about > > > the legal systems of these countries that do not follow US and western > > > Europe > > > attempts to recognize technology changes and adapt to it. > > > > You analyze the issue by the wrong end > > > > It's not a technology issue, it's a legal one. > > > > You could have the best electronic authentication scheme, if it's not > > > recognized by a country's legal system, it's useless in court in this > > > country. > > > If claims rights on contributions not backed by a CA in a valid form as > > > defined in this > > > country, it's a lost case. > > > > Big organizations have the tools and budgets to fight in various legal > > > systems > > > out there. Not small open source projects or projects without big > > > sponsors. > > > > I understand and approve the requirement of the original hand written > > > signature in > > > this context. That's a real life issue that cannot be dealt with by > > > technology alone. > > > > If a national mail system is not able to get reliably an envelope to the > > > US > > > within 4/5 weeks, I would be very concerned about the state of their legal > > > system. > > > Sorry to break it to you, but legal systems outside of a few countries are > > seriously > > broken and it will take decades and many lives to fix this. And I assure > > you, people who > > live in those countries are just as concerned as you are, thanks for caring. > > > So the system is how it is. Clojure/core can > > accept this unfortunate fact and find a way to accept CA submissions > > electronically. > > > Or they can ignore all the complaints (again, not about the CA per se, but > > how it is currently submitted) and lose many potential contributions. > > > Contributions from people who really want to make Clojure better, ready to > > spend > > many hours of their time contributing but were not lucky enough to be born > > in the Wonderland called Canada, where the law rules and the sun shines (at > > least 2 months of the year). > > > It always starts with contributing something small. Then something else > > small. > > Then something slightly more significant. And next thing you know, you are > > a major > > contributor. That's how it started for every single active OSS contributor > > I know. > > -- > > MK > > >http://github.com/michaelklishin > >http://twitter.com/michaelklishin > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > -- > Softaddicts<lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. 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