The ship has indeed sailed. However, it is exactly these moments when software starts to degrade - there are many examples of crufty software crippled by legacy decisions.
I would much rather have ruthless application of 'good' engineering, deprecating where necessary than continue to pay the cost of a poor decision with every new person. Just remember that every 'yeah, it has always worked like that' or 'yeah, I know, just accept it' a puppy riding on the back of a unicorn led by an angel dies. Optimise for the current users or optimise for the new user? Almost always optimising for the new user is the right decision. On 8 November 2016 at 07:23, Devin Walters <dev...@gmail.com> wrote: > The more I've thought about it, the more I've resigned myself to the fact > that any? is the only rational choice. We have `some?`, `some`, `not-any?`, > and `any?`. There's no resolving the asymmetry without breaking code, and > it's undeniably true that `any?` reads nicely in the context of specs. I > don't think I've seen a post mentioning `some?` yet, which surprised me a > bit. "Fixing" the symmetry of all of this is more than a single name. It is > a collection of names dating back to 1.0, IIRC. I don't disagree that it > would be nice if we could go back in time, but generally I think "let it go" > is good advice. As an aside, the dissonance is more or less consistent. It > reminds me a little of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multistability. > > Perhaps there'll be some liberties taken in 2.0? > > Time will tell, but for now I'll echo Alex's suggestion to drop it. This > particular ship sailed years ago, IMO. > > '(Devin Walters) > > On Nov 7, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Mars0i <marsh...@logical.net> wrote: > > >> Personally I think "any?" and "some?" are aptly named, and that it's the >> older "not-any?" and "some" functions that mess things up. > > > I can understand the intuition that "not-any?" and "some" are the oddballs, > but "Are there any Xs?" and "Are there some Xs?" are true in exactly the > same situations. Or to remove the predicate, since that's what "some" and > "not-any?" use: "Is there anything in this thing?" and "Is there something > in this thing?" are true in the same situations. So if some? is aptly > named, then any? is not. (Maybe "anything?" or "something?" would have been > better names for some?.) > >> >> Maybe if Clojure were being designed from scratch again, we'd have >> something like "has" and "not-has?", but it's too late to change common >> function names now. > > > Yeah--too late. > > As well as some still uncommon ones. > Like "any?". > :-) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
