Sean, I checked out your presentation and Zenrise demo video.  Is there a plan 
for any of that to be open sourced?

On Saturday, 29 March 2014 17:58:14 UTC, Sean Grove  wrote:
> Omchaya hasn't been touched in ~25 days, mainly because we've been exploring 
> some pretty deep rabbit-holes around this, and haven't had time to come up 
> and consolidate it all. A few thoughts before I run out:
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> We don't make enough use of Om's features for Omchaya - we should definitely 
> be using :shared, for example. I'm not sure if it was available at the time, 
> but we certainly didn't stop and find out what it was until recently (which 
> is a bummer for us, it's a great idea)
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> The components in Omchaya aren't reusable in the slightest, mainly because 
> they conflate layout, styling, component tree-structure and app-state 
> structure. I wrote some slides for a short talk I gave at the last sfcljs 
> meetupĀ 
> http://sgrove.github.io/talks/understanding_ui_complexity/understanding_ui_complexity.html#/
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> We've figured out a good way to separate component-tree structure from 
> app-state that's worked out very well for us, and that's by representing as 
> much as possible as data, and using functions to transform them.
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> We've also started experimenting with layout systems, which are a nightmare 
> in the browser (and a generally involved topic anyway). This is something 
> that the performance of om/set-state! (and a non-rendering version of 
> om/set-state!) is great for, but kills the ability to swap out layout engines.
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> To that end, with the right hooks, we may end up bypassing a lot of Om since 
> with the almost-everything-as-data approach we have (potentially) much better 
> whole-app awareness.
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> But, all that is to say, it's early days, and it's pretty exciting to be able 
> to improve on that nightmare that is browser UI, and potentially end up with 
> a much better story than the native world has enjoyed for over a quarter of a 
> century. It's kind of the wild-west, and we should be experimenting like 
> crazy.
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> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David Nolen <[email protected]> wrote:
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> This is getting closer but I think will write up my own thoughts/opinions on 
> Om application architecture soon. While the existing tutorials are nice for 
> understanding how Om works, I think a rough guide to architecting Om 
> applications would be useful to all - not the least because it will likely 
> need many refinements as we put the ideas into practice.
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> David
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> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Daniel Bell <[email protected]> wrote:
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> So, I figured it out, and wrote a blog post on why this is a terrible idea:
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> http://roninhacker.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/how-to-build-stuff-with-om/
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