On Friday, November 28, 2014 3:21:09 AM UTC+11, Kyle Cordes wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Colin Yates <colin.ya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mike, that's brilliant. Downloading it now.
>
> It is a great thing to have handy, and it is also points to another
> example of the problem I was complaining about, which is that there
> are N different optimization settings, of which different tools
> support different subsets. Quoting the page linked, "At the time of
> writing, cemerick/clojurescript.test doesn't work with :optimizations
> :none".
>
> This is a not a great situation. We have this wonderful programming
> language, whose many great characteristics include a broad toolbox of
> mostly composable tools. But up here at the tooling level, lots of
> CLJS tools are not composable.
>
Yes, tooling is definitely a problem. Compiler messages are poor and initially
off putting. Docs are threadbare compared to other languages I've used.
Debugging is a bit too hard. All these things are true. All these things stop
wider adoption.
I'd expect with the current trajectory that things will be much better in about
12 months. There are greenshoots:
https://github.com/oakmac/cljsbuild-ui
https://github.com/adzerk/boot-cljs
To me, a crucial step for CLJS is to have a compiler that is liberated from
Java. I've looked and it seems a number have tried to make it happen, but
without official support each attempt seems to have withered. What we appear
to need is a thin, official clojure I/O library over the top of Java, and all
tools written in terms of that I/O library, which can then be implemented for
different platforms. Then tools would be portable away from Java.
The trouble is that Java is portable in its own right, correct? Sorta. So there
doesn't seem to be offical momentum to make clojurescript portable off Java
itself.
On other matters, vote now:
https://github.com/cemerick/clojurescript.test/issues/75
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