I'm still in the early stages of digesting Javelin, but one idea I keep having 
is using it locally in components to make subscriptions that are otherwise 
global using reframe. 

On May 14, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Jamie Orchard-Hays <[email protected]> wrote:

> No kidding. I have this long blog post germinating in my head about my 
> experiences with Om and re-frame now that I've developed a reasonably-sized 
> app in each. Problem is, I have no time to write it. One thing I've come to 
> appreciate about Om over Reagent is that despite it being more verbose, it's 
> always clear where you are WRT the React lifecycle and state. Reagent, being 
> less formal, lends itself to some confusion over what's happening where.
> 
> In general, I agree with some comments I've seen in this group recently that 
> we really have a long way to go with rich client web apps. It's still way too 
> time-consuming, painful and not formalized enough, even with the awesome 
> tools we have around already. Simple *and* easy is the brass ring.
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Colin Yates <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> +1 I keep thinking "yeah, this is the stack I will use, let's invest in 
>> this" then something new comes along. Not good for those of use affected 
>> with "grassisalwaysgreeneritus" :).
>> 
>> On 14 May 2015 19:39, "Jamie Orchard-Hays" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> This is really interesting stuff. I'd looked over Hoplon a year ago and 
>> didn't use it as it wasn't React-based. I really liked the spread-sheet/cell 
>> metaphor. I wish I had more time to explore all of these libs! :) CLJS is 
>> enjoying quite a Cambrian explosion of interesting libraries.
>> 
>> Jamie
>> 
>> On May 14, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Ruslan Prokopchuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> > Jamie, exactly, I took re-frame (it's awesome!) and replaced subscriptions 
>> > mechanism with Javelin cells. I like Javelin, it allows elegant and 
>> > succinct data coordination. See todomvc example in the amper and re-frame 
>> > repos for comparison.
>> >
>> > Also I've replaced Reagent with Om because of my internal needs, but 
>> > re-frame architecture is View-agnostic in its heart, and I've implemented 
>> > it in ampere. Now it includes only Om adapter, but more to come with 
>> > examples (I plan to make todomvc views.cljs port for every supported View 
>> > library). Hoplon does not require any adapter at all, for example ;-)
>> >
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