Kevin,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
I believe it will help a lot when people clone vista.
Thanks again.

Regards,
Steven.

Kevin W. Wall wrote:
> Kevin W. Wall wrote:
>   
>> Kevin W. Wall wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I found suggestion at support.microsoft.com to address this:
>>>
>>>     http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940970
>>>
>>> As I really don't care if previous restore points are recovered or not,
>>> I think I will try this before trying Steve's suggestion or trying
>>> to use 'ntfsclone' as I discussed in my previous post today.
>>>
>>> I'll let this group know if it works or not.
>>>       
>> I tried this as well as some other similar suggestions I
>> found on Vista forums. vssadmin successfully cleared all the
>> old restore points and I was able to reset the size to the original
>> 12.514GB size, but System Restore still is failing.
>>
>> So guess I will have to retry original suggestion of Steven Shiau
>> to try device-image copy or use ntfsclone directly as I posted
>> earlier this morning.
>>     
>
> Well, the first workaround suggested on the Microsoft support site
> using vssadmin to resize the system restore area didn't work, but I
> managed to find a site by Bert Kinney (http://bertk.mvps.org/) that
> was all about System Restore under Vista. There I found that if I
> ran SystemPropertiesProtection.exe, Vista properly displayed the
> "available drives". Whereas originally, when doing this from rstrui.exe
> would display the error message that I was getting and then show the
> System Properties "System Protection" tab with the available drives
> only listed as "Searching...", running it SystemPropertiesProtection.exe,
> actually showed something like this:
>
>       Available Disks                 Most recent restore point
>       [ ] Recovery (D:)               None
>       [ ] vista (C:) (System)         None
>       [x] Recovery (D:) (Recovery)    some date
>       [x] vista (C:) (Recovery)       some date
>
> I was able to create a restore point one the last two, but apparently
> rstrui.exe tries to use the FIRST two.
>
> So, to fix the problem, I unchecked the last two, and confirmed that
> I wanted to disable system restore there. Once that was done, I checked
> the first two, and manually created a restore point, entering something
> like "Test to try to fix system restore" for the description. Once I did
> that, everything started working.
>
> Of course, that brings us to the reason why it had a problem in the first 
> place,
> but I believe that Bert Kinney's web site had the explanation, when it said:
>
>       If the third-party tool is allowed to runs at boot time without running
>       in Windows Preinstallation Environment (PE) or some version of Windows
>       Vista, any changes that the tool makes to the disk will cause Windows
>       Vista, once started, to invalidate and thus delete the restore points.
>
> Recall that at no time did I use Microsoft's sysprep tool after running
> Clonezilla to copy the NTFS images from my 100GB disk to my external USB
> drive, and back to my new 250GB hard drive. Because of this, Windows would
> not initially boot. I momentarily ignored this, used gparted to create some
> new logical partitions on an extended partition and then proceeded to install
> both Fedora 9 and OpenSuSE 11.0 on my laptop's new 250GB hard drive. I thought
> that I could get Windows to boot using Grub (which I prefer to the Window's
> boot-loader anyway, since I can lock access with a password, etc.) Anyhow,
> when I tried booting with OpenSuSE's Grub, I got much further than I did
> when I tried with the Vista's native boot loader (which I had tried to no
> avail *before* installing Fedora and OpenSuSE). However, Windows did still
> not boot. It came up enough to tell me that something was corrupt and that
> I should run my Vista recovery CD. I didn't have *that* at the time, so I
> tried the OEM's (Gateway) recovery partition (i.e., the 'D:' drive). Whatever
> *that* did, it fixed Vista so that Vista would now boot (via Grub).  However,
> my speculation is that it was Gateway's recovery action that messed up the
> System Restore points. Perhaps it didn't use Windows PE...hard to tell since
> it's proprietary and it wasn't exactly transparent about what it was doing to
> fix the problems of not being able to boot Vista.
>
> Regardless, everything now seems to be working OK. I may try a Windows 
> Update--
> but only AFTER I run a backup. ;-)
>
> Anyhow, thanks for your patience. I'm a posting this just so that it might
> help out someone else who encounters this or a similar problem later on, but
> I am not intending to do the device-image copy using Clonezilla Live
> that Steven Shiau originally suggested. Probably will use Clonzilla to make
> a new image backup though.
>
> Finally, kudos to Bert (whom I've BCC'd) for his bertk.mvps.org site on Vista
> system restore. Without it, I would have stumbled around in the dark much
> longer.
>
> -kevin
>   


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