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Good points, Michael.
Further to these comments, beyond the fact
that most mirrors are much faster than the upload speeds offered by Telus and
Shaw (even when they are being slammed at times like this), those who are
currently offering up their systems to host FTP sites should bear in mind that
Telus has hard upload limits, which when breached will result in a nice big bill
the next month (so I'm told by a friend on Telus). Shaw has "soft" limits,
no extra charge, but rather if you go over them, they email you once, then they
call you once, then they shut off your service for a week (that I know because
I've gotten to the second stage in the past). So be careful when offering
up your line, you may be in for a bit of a surprise.
Ian
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Why is this such an issue right now? Every major distribution
has _several_ high performance mirrors that will outperform anything
that we could put together based on P2P with our cable and DSL
lines. Yes when a new version of a distro comes out the mirrors
can be slow, but there are a couple of things to remember:
#1 There are some sites that mirror RedHat and Mandrake that
don't list themselves on the download pages... they usually perform very
well - especially during times like this. (try finding a mirror of a
mirror)
#2 Do any of us really _need_ the newest copy of RedHat or Mandrake
the day it comes out? Try waiting a couple of days and try again
:)
Just some stuff to think about.
/\/\ichael Berenbaum
-------Original
Message-------
Date: September 27,
2002 12:43:42 PM
Subject: Re:
(clug-talk) 9 dot o
Could we use some sort of P2P system to distribute the
load over a number of
members? That way the bandwidth and storage
issues would not fall on just one of us.
Jesse
Quoting
Jarrod Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
I don't know if Jeff will catch this post so I will field it for now.
You
> may want to send a note to Jeff thought to clarify.
>
> Currently calgary.linux.ca is hosted at his home on a server
connected to
> his home DSL. Bandwidth will most likely be a huge
issue. I doubt that he
> will consent to such a request.
>
> With hardware being so cheap (especially hard drives) storage
should not be
> an issue. I have been trying to maintain the
Distribution Library on the
> CLUG site so that folks know who to
approach for the various copies of
> Linux
> from the
various members such as myself who have access to a CD-ROM
burner
> and are more than happy to burn copies as long as they
are provided blanks.
>
> Until we have more resources at
our disposal this is probably the way it
> will remain but I could
be wrong. There are lots of industrious folks who
> have some
astounding resources.
>
> Jarrod Major
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re:
(clug-talk) 9 dot o
>
>
> > How feesable is it to
set up an FTP on the CLUG site so that once ONE of
> us
>
> DL's something, the rest can grab a copy from them? IE: If I get
RH8 on
> > Monday, I can immediately UL it to ftp.clug.com (or
whatever), and then
> if
> > other members wanted a copy,
they could DL as appropriate. As a sort of
> > CLUG-only
mirror, sort of.
> >
> > What are the limitations to
such a proposal. I'm sure Disk Space, but
> that
> >
isn't insurmountable. We don't really want to mirror old versions,
so
> lets
> > just say that as a policy, we'll mirror the
2 most recient versions of
> > versions of whatever (Gentoo,
RH, Debian, Mandrake, Suse, Smoothwall, and
> > maybe two or 3
more.) What's our Bandwidth limitation and.or Bandwidth
> >
useage look like? Can we do this?
> >
> > Even if we
held 2 copies of 10 Distros, each averaging 3 Gigs, we'd end
>
up
> > with 60 Gigs of Disk Space. Which isn't much. That's
what a 5-10 dollar
> > donation from each of the active members
on this mailing list? We'd
> clearly
> > all
benefit.
> >
> > Is this an idea worth
pursuing?
> >
> > Kev.
> >
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
From: "Jesse Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:12 AM
> > Subject: Re:
(clug-talk) 9 dot o
> >
> >
> > > Thanks
for the offer, but I was able to download it from 3 mirrors last
>
> night.
> > > Now I am looking forward to getting home
from work and burning those
> babys
> > on CD.
>
> >
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > >
Quoting Trevor Lauder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> > > > I'm downloading Mandrake 9.0 as I type
this email actually. If you
> want
> > I
> >
> > can setup a ftp account for you on my server when I get it
downloaded
> > > > (Should be done in 5 hours or so). If
not, I can always burn you a
> > > > copy... let me know.
The mirror I always use for most of my linux
> > distro
>
> > > downloads is ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch I
usually get 300+ K/s
> from
> > > > them but since
Mandrake came out I'm only getting 50 K/s
> > > >
>
> > > Later,
> > > >
> > > >
Trevor
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks
everyone, I feel pretty confident about installing 9.0 now.
>
The
> > > > > only thing left is to get it. Does
anyone know of any working
> mirrors?
> > > >
>
> > > > > Jesse
> > > >
>
> > > > > On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 11:06, S�bastien
Taylor wrote:
> > > > >> I'm pretty sure mandrake
let's you flag a partition so that it
> > > > >>
doesn't format it..at least it should have it, every other os
has
> > it.
> > > > >> I would just stick
the cd in, and boot it up, tell it to format
> the
> >
> > >> old partitions but leave /home as is.
> >
> > >>
> > > > >>
> > >
> >> Jesse Kline a �crit:
> > > > >> >
Ya, I already have a seperate /home partition. So If I were to
>
just
> > > > >> wipe out my
> > > >
>> > other partitions, and create new ones with the MDK
installer,
> and
> > > > >> do a full
>
> > > >> > install, will it leave my /home partition
alone? I just don't
> want
> > > > >> to see
that formatting all partitions window :-).
> > > >
>> >
> > > > >> > Jesse
> >
> > >> >
> > > > >> > Quoting
S�bastien Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> >> >
> > > > >> >
> >
> > >> >>That could work, except for the fact that,
and I quote "No, I do
> > > > >> have a separate
/home partition." ;-) Problem solved!
> > > > >>
>>
> > > > >> >>
> > > >
>> >>Dan Graham a �crit:
> > > > >>
>>
> > > > >> >>>Hi Jesse,
>
> > > >> >>>
> > > > >>
>>>1. Delete all but your /home dir.
> > > >
>> >>>2. Resize what is left with Mandrake's partition
resizing tool
> > > > >> (hacked parted)
>
> > > >> >>>3. Name this /home
> > >
> >> >>>4. Create the rest of your partitions as
per.
> > > > >> >>>5. Do a full install as
required.
> > > > >> >>>
> > >
> >> >>>I just did this with RC3 9.0 for my buddy
Howard who had a ton
> of
> > > > >> stuff on
one big / partiton.
> > > > >> >>>No
problem.
> > > > >> >>>
> > >
> >> >>>Cya, Dan
> > > > >>
>>>
> > > > >> >>>
> >
> > >> >>>
> > > > >>
>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>
>>>From: S�bastien Taylor
> > > > >>
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > >> >>>Sent: 9/25/02 7:04 PM
> >
> > >> >>>Subject: Re: (clug-talk) 9 dot o
>
> > > >> >>>
> > > > >>
>>>Oh, good, that's easy, you just tell it what partition you
want
> to
> > > > >> use as home, and then
turn off the format option. Not sure
> > > > >>
_exactly_ how to do that, I don't use Mandrake, but pretty much
>
> > > >> every installer let's you do that. The option
might also be
> > > > >> called "Mount previously
formated partition" something like that
> is
> > >
> >> what you want...it should be pretty obvious.
> >
> > >> >>>
> > > > >>
>>>Make sure you still back up what you can't afford to
loose!!
> > > > >> >>>
> > >
> >> >>>
> > > > >>
>>>Le Mercredi, 25 sept 2002, � 18:20 Canada/Mountain, Jesse
Kline
> a
> > > > >> �crit :
> >
> > >> >>>
> > > > >>
>>> > No, I do have a separate /home partition. What I want
to do
> is
> > > > >> reinstall
> >
> > >> >>> > the system (on the root partition)
without touching my /home
> > > > >> partition
(which does exist). I'm sure that I read somewhere
> > >
> >> that you can do
> > > > >>
>>>this
> > > > >> >>> > with
Mandrake, I'm just wondering how?
> > > > >>
>>> >
> > > > >> >>> >
Jesse
> > > > >> >>> >
> >
> > >> >>> > On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 18:18,
S�bastien Taylor wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
>> You mean you didn't put your /home on it's own
partition??
> > > > >> Shame on you
> >
> > >> >>> >> ;-) If you didn't you should
back it up and do it this
> time,
> > > > >>
or else you can just delete everything else then install on the
>
> > > >> sorta-clean drive. Or, finally, you could just
try to
> > > > >> upgrade...
> > > >
>> >>> >>
> > > > >>
>>> >>
> > > > >> >>>
>> Le Mercredi, 25 sept 2002, � 18:00 Canada/Mountain,
Jesse
> > Kline
> > > > >> a �crit
>
> > > >> >>> >> :
> > > >
>> >>> >>
> > > > >>
>>> >>> I really want to have the latest and greatest,
but I'm
> trying
> > > > >> to figure
>
> > > >> >>> >>> out the best way to go
about this. I know that upgrades
> are
> > > >
>> not always
> > > > >> >>>
>>> the best solution, but I have large video files on
my
> /home
> > > > >>
>>>partition
> > > > >> >>>
>>> that aren't economical to backup on CD. Is there a way
to
> get
> > > > >> Mandrake
> >
> > >> >>> >>> to install over the /
partition without touching my /home
> > > > >>
partition?
> > > > >> >>>
> >
> > >> >>> >>> Or
> > > >
>> >>> >>> is there a way to do a Debian-style
upgrade using urpmi?
> > > > >> >>>
>>>
> > > > >> >>> >>>
Thanks,
> > > > >> >>>
>>>
> > > > >> >>> >>>
Jesse
> > > > >> >>> >>>
>
> > > >> >>> >>> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at
16:32, Dan Graham wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
>>>>
> > > > >> >>>
>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> >>>
>>>>
> > > > >> >>>
>>>> The new Mandrake 9.0 "Dolphin" has been
released.
> > > > >> >>>
>>>>
> > > > >> >>>
>>>> cya
> > > > >> >>>
>>>
> > > > >> >>> >>>
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