That's what I'm asking - did I mess something up? Miss something? Because a comparison of the RPMs available on the FTP site, compared to what YOU automatically selected to me, compared to what is actually installed on the system, tells me that while YOU was trying to be smart, it wasn't being smart enough to auto-pick all the updates that were applicable to the system. That tells me it's not working right.
Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: S�bastien Taylor [mailto:me@;staylor.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: (clug-talk) For the life of me I can't figure YOU out > > > That's the thing, YOU is actually smart, and only installs the > patches you > need to install, like security updates, and not other updates that aren't > actually needed...if you want those, select them manually, they should > appear in the menu. If they don't, I'm not sure why, are you sure you > didn't mess with any settings for yast somewhere? > > > Le 30 Octobre 2002 11:09, vous avez �crit : > > Yes, the patches thing is nice (not that I care, cable modem > and all, but > > it's a nice touch). I tried both the automatic and the manual, > they both > > do that same thing in terms of selection. And like I said, I > ftp'd to the > > same mirror I was using for the update, so that I was sure that I was > > seeing the same thing YOU was seeing, and still it didn't pick > up all the > > updates. It's like it's trying to be really smart (the patches > thing was a > > big hint that they are _trying_ to be really smart) but just not quite > > succeeding. It just worries me that if I do decide to go with SuSE for a > > system, I can't trust it to be up-to-date. It's kinda sad, > actually. As > > the poster in Mulder's office says, "I want to believe". Their distro > > looks nice otherwise, but the only thing that truly > differentiates distros > > these days is their admin tools, and if YOU is completely useless, then > > that's a big blow against them. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jesse Kline [mailto:klinej@;telus.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:41 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: (clug-talk) For the life of me I can't figure YOU out > > > > > > > > > heh, I've never had any problems with YOU myself. In fact I think > > > it works quite > > > well. The ting that I like is that it downloads paths instead of > > > the whole RPM, > > > this makes updates go much faster. I also only have > experience with the X > > > version. You have two options, one is to look for updates and > > > then select the > > > ones you want to install, or let YOU do the whole thing for you. > > > I always chose > > > the automated approach as it made the easier. YOU will download a > > > list of all > > > the updates, even updates for packages that are not installed on > > > your system. I > > > wouldn't pay any attention to this, just wait until it has > > > finnished and then > > > look at the packages that it actually installed. One thing that I > > > did notice is > > > that not all of their mirrors are up to date. This may be why you > > > find updates > > > on the SuSE ftp site that are not being installed. Install all > > > the updates, and > > > then try the other mirrors to see if any of them install updates > > > that were not > > > installed on the firt go around. > > > > > > Jesse > > > > > > Quoting Ian Bruseker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Catchy subject, non? :-) > > > > > > > > What I really mean is YaST Online Update. What is up with that > > > > program? I've tried using SuSE several times in the past, > only to give > > > > up based on the (apparent) stupidity of this one program. > But so many > > > > people use SuSE, that it tells me either there are a whole lot more > > > > tolerant people in this world than I think that are willing > to put up > > > > with this thing, or I just fundamentally misunderstand what this > > > > program is all about. Let's go with option 2 for now. > > > > > > > > As best I can tell, this program is supposed to connect to > an FTP site, > > > > look at the available update rpms, and let you install the updates. > > > > Further, it looks like it is _supposed_ to preselect items > for update > > > > that apply to your system. This seems pretty straight forward, and > > > > pretty common (RedHat has RHN, Mandrake has Mandrake > Update, etc). So, > > > > Monday night I did an FTP install of SuSE 8.1 on an old machine. > > > > Install went fine. Ran YOU after the setup was done, it > preselected 3 > > > > packages out of the several dozen listed that have been > updated. (Oh, > > > > this is all ncurses based, not X, the machine's a bit > underpowered for > > > > that). I let it do the updates, but I get curious - why so many > > > > packages that _don't_ need to be updated. Some stuff is obviously > > > > updates that could never apply to the system in question > (KDE updates, > > > > for example - not a single KDE rpm is installed - why is it > showing me > > > > this? YaST Onine _UPDATE_. Show me updates, not things that aren't > > > > even installed on my system, but whatever, that's the subject of > > > > another rant). So I ftp to the site that YOU had used and check the > > > > updates there, doing much 'rpm -qa|grep' on another console. Some > > > > stuff is already up-to-date. I'm guessing SuSE updates > their main FTP > > > > install directory so a clean install comes out fairly up-to-date. > > > > That's cool. But there are other packages on my system that > are clearly > > > > not up to the latest version compared to the FTP site. But > YOU isn't > > > > autoselecting them when I run it. It seems when I run YOU > I have flip > > > > to another console/ ftp to the site YOU is using/check the rpms > > > > there/rpm -qa|grep on another console/and manually select > the updates > > > > in YOU. Am I missing something here? If I have to do the > > > > ftp/check/grep thing, then what's the point of YOU? I can download > > > > things manually and just do it that way (I'm already FTP'd in, after > > > > all). Isn't YOU supposed to help with this in some way, > not make the > > > > process longer and more painful? Is there a checkbox somewhere I > > > > missed? A magic chant, perhaps? > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long and ranty email. Abject stupidity gets me very > > > > frustrated late at night (that includes my own abject stupidity if > > > > someone can show me exactly what it is about YOU that makes > it in any > > > > way useful). Does anyone have any experience with/understanding of > > > > this program that would help me make it something other > than a complete > > > > waste of my time? I'm asking here before submitting a bug > to SuSE that > > > > simple reads "YOU suck(s)". ;-) > > > > > > > > Ian > >
