Comparing windows to Gentoo is not fair at all to Linux. Gentoo compiles itself as it installs. You can't say that Linux reboots once during install either. This depends on the distro. If your installing Gentoo from stage 1 then it will probably require a few reboots. Installing Redhat? The only reboot it does is when it's done, so it requires 0 reboots during installation. You will also find that if you build Linux servers a lot, it is helpful to have config templates. Make a samba config file with generic settings in it, make one for LPRng, CUPS, Apache, and whatever other services you use. Then when you build a server, you can just do a find/replace on entries that change depending on the server and tweak the rest of the files the way they need to be for that particular server. That way you aren't recreating all those files from scratch every time you build a new box.
Trevor > Gentoo took me almost 4 hours to compile (stage 1, 2, and 3), on a Xeon > 700smp box. > > Starting from nothing (Gentoo/Debian) and adding packages takes a long > time. Likewise, > Starting with more crap than I need (Red Hat/etc Put Windows in this > category) and deleting it after the fact (Plus upgrading out of date > packages, and patching) takes just as long as Windows. > > Windows 2000 reboots exactly once during the install process. Same as > Linux > > I'm not done with a server for at least a day, regardless of the OS. > Maybe I'm slow. I dunno. But I do find Windows faster. Setting up > Printers is easier with Windows (What's the IP address, OK, Done) is > easier than with Linux (Configure CUPS/LPR/LPRNG/Whatever, Configure > Samba, Set up Samba to autoDL drivers) > > Kev. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Lauder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: Re: (clug-talk) Linux Work > > >> I've found the opposite, it has taken me 3 or 4 hours to build a >> windows 2000 server from blank harddrive to complete because of all >> the patches you need to do and reboots, etc. I can build and >> configure a Linux server running Apache, Qmail/Postfix (With or >> without Antivirus scanning and Spam detection), Courier-IMAP and Samba >> in 1.5 to 2 hours... including all updates. >> >> > I've found that setting up a Linux server takes longer than a >> Windows server. >> > >> > However the end result takes far less maintenance, and therefore, >> it's worthwhile. >> > >> > Desktops would be no different. I would gladly take a full day to >> set up each desktop if I knew that they would run flawlessly from >> the time I walked away until it was time to replace the box. Linux >> is much closer to providing that than Windows. >> > >> > Kev. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Johnny Stork >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:12 PM >> > Subject: Re: Re: (clug-talk) Linux Work >> > >> > >> > Just thought I would throw in my 2 bits. I have been using Linux >> as a >> > desktop system for around 3 years now, and started using and doing >> some development on Linux, back when there were things like the >> "Network Desktop", or no gui at all let alone gnome or KDE. So I >> have seen it grow in spectacular ways since the early-mid 90's. >> However, even today I still find many "typical" requirements like >> faxing, printing, reliable and predictable behaviour from >> applications like word processors, business analysis applications >> etc, are not quite there yet and require far too much effort when >> compare to >> > out-of-the-box Windows systems. I also have various data analysis, >> graphing and modelling requirements which so far, I can only satisfy >> with windows based propietory applications. I would certainly like >> to make the switch entirely, but for any "shop" or business with >> anything but the simplest requirements, it will need to be a joint >> > Linux/Microsoft world for the time being. Not to say tha! t this may >> not change, since I beleive it will. >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original message----- >> > > From: "Michael Buckley" >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Date: 11/29/2002(Fri) 01:08pm >> > > Subject: Re: (clug-talk) Linux Work >> > > >> > > >>I honestly DO NOT THINK that Linux is ready for the desktoop, >> till >> > mid 2005. >> > > >> > > Did you pick that date from a hat, or you just have a good >> feeling >> > about the number 5, and the summer months? >> > > >> > > I think for alot of companies, Linux is definetely ready for the >> > desktop. Why couldn't an office admin/person be using linux as >> his/her desktop? >> > > >> > > M >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Richard Jenniss >> > > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:57:12 +0000 >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Subject: Re: (clug-talk) Linux Work >> > > >> > > >> > > > Honestly put, man. ... >> > > > Linux has < 1% of the desktop market. >> > > > (If I'm wrong, on these figures, PLEASE, update me) >> > > > >> > > > I've been with Linux, on/off for 3years, which I think is >> SFA... >> > More activly as such, i've used it on my MAIN workstation, the only >> one I have, since late July... (No OS's but the Linux and OSS >> software) >> > > > I've learned lots, but I've also learned.. :( >> > > > >> > > > I honestly don't think, Linux, and the free software it can be >> > bundle'd with, in many of the latest distributions, IS NOT desktop >> ready. It's not, It's not, It's not. Unbiased and I hate >> > microsoft, but I don't thinkk ALL distributions are desktop ready >> yet. >> > > > >> > > > AS AN ADMINISTRATOR, Linux is ALL OVER the server. Linux Ownz >> > micros~1 win/dos completely. Windows is a fucking server that is >> trying to grow up. Pleaase. I'd rather cut off my fingers. >> > > > >> > > > I honestly DO NOT THINK that Linux is ready for the desktoop, >> till >> > mid 2005. >> > > > >> > > > Proove me wrong, I have not much time to contribute in >> builidng >> > software :(. >> > > > >> > > > If anyone thinks Microsoft lost, just like that.... You have >> to be >> > kidding yourself. Microsoft can, and has, research, lawyers, >> > market analysts, etc... They have more resources than we can EVER >> dream off, there's no point in predicticting MS's outcome, ever. All >> we can do, is persue our computing passion. Do what is right. Code >> what should be universal. >> > > > >> > > > Caan't steal what is pure of heart. >> > > > >> > > > Rich. >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:20:48 -0700 >> > > > Roy Souther wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > www.monster.com search for Linux >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 22:07, Trevor Lauder wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > I was just wondering if anyone had any leads on Linux >> systems >> > administrator jobs or anything in the IT field? I recently lost my >> job because there wasn't enough work to keep me on and I'm >> > trying to find another one, preferably in Linux. >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > >> > > > > Trevor >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Roy Souther >> > > > > www.SiliconTao.com >> > > > > >> > > > > Changing the way people do business. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > ______________________________________________ >> > > http://www.linuxmail.org/ >> > > Now with POP3/IMAP access for only US$19.95/yr >> > > >> > > Powered by Outblaze >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Open Enterprise Solutions >> > Open Solutions for an Open World >> > >> > Johnny Stork, BA >> > Calgary, AB >> > Canada >> > >> > http://www.openenterprise.ca >> > http://www.open-solutions.ca >> > >> > >> >
