-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 02 December 2002 10:31, Kevin Anderson wrote: > > > Sure, but if I want that Gentoo box to have a GUI (I don't, but lets > > > compare apples to apples), My post install includes 4 hours of > > > compiling various KDE pieces. Then configuring, etc. > > > > exactly why considering Gentoo as a desktop option (or even a server > > option) > > > in a business setting is, IMO, rediculous. > > > > - -- > > Aaron J. Seigo > > I also occurs to me... How many times have you been asked about upgrading > to KDE3, in situation where people tried, but failed miserably?
rarely... it happens when they either build from source or use an older OS that doesn't have a clean KDE3 migration path. but those using a moderately recent distro (either through a recent install or through regular upgrade maintenance) manage quite fine. > I bet I can DL and build faster than they can upgrade. > Once running, I find Gentoo > easier. Compile time is irrelevant, it can happen at night the same as > backups. I update sync at midnight every night. Then in the AM, I can > emerge -p system, and I immediately know which packages are out of date. > If it's important, then I can get them. Otherwise, I can just ignore > everything. that's nice. and has nothing to do with a from-source system. the same can (and is) accomplished on binary build systems. i have no problems with (in fact i like) automated update systems. my issue is with the compiling from source on production systems. > Realistically, how many boxes are processor constrained? Especially many of mine are. maybe that's because i do a lot of work with databases on servers and systems where people are running interactive graphical applications... > servers? Linux runs on a 386sx with 8 Megs of RAM, maybe less. If I have > an box full of Processors with 2.5 Gigs of RAM, who cares if it spends an > hour compiling something? Nobody would notice even if I did it during > production hours. (Creating a .tar.gz of basically the entire box on the > other hand... That was an intentional test though) ok, let's assume this is indeed the case... that compiling from the latest source doesn't impact performance. we're still left with time to completion (important, since people get pissy when they have to wait and crackers just love it when the box is vulnerable for longer). but let's assume that we have stupid-fast machines and compile time isn't an issue. then we're left with system integration issues that you simply can't address when you are compiling from source your own binaries.. we can chat more about this particular aspect of things on wednesday (next clug meeting =) if you wish. p.s.: evidently linux is ready for some people's desktops: http://infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/11/27/021127hnerniball.xml?s=IDGNS - -- Aaron J. Seigo GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" - Albert Einstein -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE966Uq1rcusafx20MRAtxOAJ9CQAXxvj/PlBntrDDktiXMU7x5hgCffnXV +bEQsCMEf267RznehKBJFTE= =MPoc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
