On Tuesday 20 July 2004 03:35, Kevin Anderson wrote:
> remember seeing support for QT in Gnome, and many (at least the Gnomies)
> people think this is a good thing.
For developers:
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/qtgtk/main.html
For users:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714
For everyone:
http://www.freedesktop.org
And of course, you can run KDE apps in GNOME and vice versa; and these days it
works VERY well thanks in no small part to that which evolved into
FreeDesktop.org
so, yes, you can have differences and remain interoperable. standards don't
mean uniformity, they mean interoperability.
> How pissed off are you when you hear that Gnome is the obvious leader in
> the desktop world because Red Hat uses it, and it certainly appears that
> Suse is headed there too?
yep, it annoys me when ppl make that assertion =)
> So just apply the same arguments here. The fact
not at all... given same version of the C toolchain, ensuring that toolchain
maintains binary compat (something Cygnus SUCKED at), and a similar file
system you can bring binaries from one OS to another quite nicely. Gentoo can
keep portage, Debian can keep dpk+apt, etc...
> right/good/etc. CUPS was new a couple of years ago. Is it a stupid project
> because they're changing the "standard" printing system at the time? Is
No, because everyone worked together to make it the common standard. And even
on systems that don't have CUPS, our print systems still work fine.
Diversity, interoperability.
> VIM stupid because it replaces an obviously working VI? Is LDAP stupid
my using VIM doesn't mean you can't open my files in vi. diversity,
interoperability.
etc, etc....
> Don't rant at Gentoo because they offer flexibility that other OSes don't.
i'll bet if they just tried they could offer that flexibility AND achieve much
greater interoperability at the same time. people in these projects don't
because they don't care ("jus' scratchin' my itch!") or because they have too
much pride or because they don't have enough skill/forsight. i can accept
"don't care" (even if i don't agree ;) but the other two are just sad.
it's never because it isn't possible.
> Similarly, don't rant at an OS when the problem is with the module.
you are correct that it is a holistic problem that must be addressed
everywhere. if the OS vendors don't get their collective shit together, it
makes it that much harder for the application developers to do the same. and
if the application developers don't help by taking interoperability as
seriously as we do our diversity (which are not at odds with one another)
then we leave the OS vendors in a hapless state.
the winners will be all of us. because you can use Portage, i'll use
YAST ...... and we can both run and install the same stuff, and even swap
bits 'n pieces between us.
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Aaron J. Seigo
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