-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 November 2004 2:33 pm, Aaron Seigo wrote: > then i fear you may have begun to forget the purpose of the Executive.
I have not forgotten. Nor have I forgot your substantial role in it when you served. > i reserve my right, and that of others, to continue to discuss these and > other CLUG related issues. is it creating too much off-topic noise on the > list? are people's feelings getting hurt here? i don't see the rational for > what appears to be an attempt at censorship. I never once suggested that you stop discussing these issues. This is a cheap shot asking whether I consider your posts noise or hurting anyone's feelings when you know that it is not. I am not trying to censor you I am just feeling that you are taking a rather aggressive position on these issues. I feel that you are stepping on the Executives toes. > how is an open question to the list quashing anything? a question is an > opportunity, indeed an INVITATION, for replies, answers and further > dialogue. Suggesting that something be put to bed (even if it is phrased as a question) tends to indicate that you want just that. I think you know how much weight your opinions have here. There are people who agree with you just for you being who you are. If you suggest something, chances are you'll get a lot of support. Suggesting that we put BIG presentations to bed makes people believe that we will not have that kind of presentation when it is not YOUR decision to make. Semantics. > even though i didn't originally propose such a free form, socially-driven > approach, as others have offered their viewpoints it has become apparent to > me that this is an approach that at least some would like to see. that was > the whole point of putting this topic "out there": to get dialogue going to > find something that works for THE GROUP. not the Executive. not me. the > GROUP. Likewise I try to always speak as a member of the Executive rather than THE Executive. If I am voicing my personal opinion I try to indicate it as such. I am the President but contrary to what some people think, I don't believe that makes me God. I am one person in this group. I with my peers try to make Executive decisions for the group, they are not always what everyone wants but we try to serve everybody's interests. I only have one vote here. I try to never influence people to see my point of view because I am the President. I don't really think of myself as any different than any of the Executives. My role is more of a management position but that means I have my fingers in many pies at one time. I only get to be President for 3 hours a month or when I am acting on CLUG's behalf. > i do not consider this to be an Executive matter at all, actually. this is > a matter for the group. the board's role is, IMHO, to further dialogue, > gather the results of that dialogue, attempt to measure what the general > consensus is based on that dialogue and then execute that consensus. When you are talking about trying to secure more than one room to meet at, it becomes an Executive decision. If we find it is too much of a contentious issue we can take it to the group to vote on. As far as the meetings are concerned that too falls under the jurisdiction of the Executive. Too many chiefs make things impossible to maintain with any consistency. I have been one of the largest supporters of this group deciding things in a Democratic way but certain things like meetings, I believe should be the domain of the Executive. As I stated earlier, we have already begun talking about meetings because we ARE aware that things are not working the way we want them to or rather the way the group is dictating by things like member retention, ratios of new versus experienced user attendance. We do pay attention to these details and we are trying to make things better for everyone. Our numbers are still increasing and we are retaining a good number of members so overall we must be doing something right. I think every group like this goes through growing pains and this is probably one of ours. So we cope with it and move on. There is so much potential for this group. I want so many things for this group myself but I recognize that I have to be patient and wait until we are ready for certain things. This does not mean we are sitting on our laurels (whatever that may be) and stagnating. I don't know where the idea that nobody could approach the Board came from. > this does not mean getting everyone to agree, but it does mean having a lot > of dialogue. this is how Free communities work. It doesn't take one long to figure this out. Even though I am not an Open Source Developer per se, I aspire to live and do my job at least for this group with that in mind. > > We will make the call for volunteers for whatever we feel we need. At > > this point it is still very much part of the Board's responsibilities to > > plan and execute meetings. > > i hope this reads differently than you meant it. Again, this was us interpreting your call for volunteers as stepping on Executive toes. So, no I suspect you are interpreting this the way we meant it. > this is not the Board's group, this is the membership's group. the Board is > there to do the admittedly boring gruntwork to facilitate meeting the needs > of the group. at least, that was the intent when we set up the Executive > Board, and we took great pains to ensure that spirit was put into practice. Planning and running meetings is definitely under my definition of grunt work. I do thank you for participating though despite the perceived animosity that this thread has caused. I like you Aaron, I consider you a friend but that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say. I am not a 'yes-man'. I invited you to voice your opinions to the group, not take over planning meetings, that is the bad vibe thing. You appear to running with this and while that may not be a bad thing to anyone reading this thread, it is when you consider that we have already been discussing this very problem amongst ourselves. We were simply getting your insight because you have your fingers in many other pies too. I am really happy with some of the things that people have been suggesting, including you. Some things I don't believe we can do. Yes, by all means people keep the suggestions coming. Nothing has been decided except that we need to shake things up. - -- Jarrod Major GPG Fingerprint: FA4A 1EA3 A0EE A842 07BB 804C 0090 14F6 BE6E DE3D CLUG President Registered Linux User: #224211 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBQYwA3QCQFPa+bt49AQLZBwP+N1SDHvYoRVbJVsOKQ1Sq/KpS1jnKI+iO GQjk/4aGKzeqOw1onz4m7jxPVA7FdhEIPfR12DBKDq1Qljo2sakq9FOy+h5BYfNK 4ds0xyO04XR0z38LNawUx9trSDbrAzSp2cg2GXSvb77pMsrCadL1es1AF1woZcbM 2Dmy/ZKYqZ8= =NF6r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
