Since you agreed to their ToS :) Frustrating, yes, but there are no rights violations here.
J Alex wrote: > Im so pissed that shaw is doing this, since when do they have the right > to filter my outbound internet! > > i have no smpt access to my personal blog email, im trying to work > things out with the company that hosts me but daaaamn shaw pooped the > bed on this! :( > > > On 6/18/07, *Kevin Anderson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > This just isn't that serious of a problem. > > You shouldn't be sending corporate email on port 25, so them blocking it > is irrelevant. Port 587 (Submission) was designed for this long ago, > and if you haven't moved to that, you should. > > Port 25 should be for the server to receive email for local delivery. > Port 587 should be used for relaying and similar. Basically any desktop > client connection. > > This allows, as an example, email to be received on port 25 into a > Barracuda prior to delivery. On port 587, connections need to be > authenticated, and allow sending without wasting time going through the > barracuda, because it's a valid sender. > > What Shaw is doing is right, particularly for residential customers. > Corporate/Business email should have been set up like this long ago. If > it isn't already, then it should be. I'd rate this about on par with > mandating a firewall or AV on the windows desktop. > > As for blocking a class C, you're part of Shaw's class C. You've just > been assigned a very small fraction of it, and therefore the subnet is > broken down differently for you, locally, even though it's part of the > same class C. All the subnet does is change routing, and only for > small > branches at that. > > Kev. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgrover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:28 PM > To: CLUG General > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > > Soooo... > > Connecting your home email client to your business email server is now > out of the question? (for sending). > > One day, Shaw will actually THINK about what they are doing and realize > it just ain't gonna work.. :) > > I have a SOHO connection, so the moment they pull this for my line is > the moment I move my business elsewhere. But even then, I still need to > relay my outbound mail through Shaw's mail servers - otherwise my > server > is erroneously tagged as a "spamming server" by some of the RBLs (who > are blocking Shaw's IPs with a class C subnet, even though my IP uses an > abnormal subnet (.246 I think...) > > And the only reason they can be doing this is > a) To help prevent outgoing spam. (admirable intent, but...) > b) control of email services. Other big ISPs are no longer guaranteeing > mail delivery unless the user signs up for a "premium" service. I > suspect Shaw is gearing up to do something similar. > > My thoughts. > > Shawn > > > Kin Wong wrote: > > Just got a polite email this morning from Shaw indicating that we > need > to change our modems and that there has been a network policy change > (i.e. if you are using port 25 for outgoing mail and it is not through > Shaw's server, then you are sol). Somebody must be thinking it is only > one port, what's the big deal. I think the date on the memo for for > the > 15 of next month, not that anyone has notice them playing with port 25 > recently. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Anderson" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:07:26 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver > > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > > > > Outbound works too, if you set up SHAW as a smarthost. > > > > Kev. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick Wiltshire [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:08 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [clug-talk] Did shaw shut down external ports? > > > > I think it's only outbound. When I moved last month I was unable to > > send mail until my static IP was set up. > > > > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:55, Jesse Kline wrote: > >> Seeing as I got both these e-mails, they havn't cut port 25 yet. > >> > >> Jesse > >> > >>> I know for sure they are working on cutting port 25 for residential > >>> customers. > >>> It doesn't affect SOHO users though. > >>> > >>> On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:50, Robert Campbell wrote: > >>>> I have had to re-subscribe to this list using my gmail account so > >>>> that I could ask this question..... Has shaw shut down access to > >>>> internal ports (or is it just me?). > >>>> > >>>> I haven't rebooted my firewall (yet), but email is bouncing and I > >>>> can't ssh into my server from an external host. > >>>> > >>>> So, is it just me, or is everybody experiencing this process? > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> clug-talk mailing list > >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >>>> Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >>>> **Please remove these lines when replying > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> clug-talk mailing list > >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > >>> Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > >>> **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines ( http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php > <http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php>) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying -- Key fingerprint: BDE0 DE52 B8C0 0CDF 7653 E5A2 D861 7877 0D3B 813E http://www.jonwatson.ca "Trying to learn to hack on a DOS or Windows machine or under MacOS is like trying to learn to dance while wearing a body cast" - ESR _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
