When I looked at the FB privacy policy a couple of years ago I thought it
was quite inadequate, and so refused to use it. In the past few days I was
thinking of looking at it again to see if it improved after the bad
publicity that it later received. Certainly, I keep a low IN profile and
wouldn't get into a lot of the FB nonsense.

Ellen

On 14 June 2011 11:50, Mel Walters <[email protected]> wrote:

> I saw a good answer to your question in a talk by Eben Mogelen
>
> The Problem is the Cruft and Data Dandruff of Life [30:00]: "In fact the
> degree of potential informational inequality, and disruption and
> difficulty that arises from a misunderstanding, a heuristic error in the
> minds of human beings about what is and is not discoverable about them,
> is now our biggest privacy problem. My students ... show constantly in
> our dialog they still, think of privacy as the one secret they don't
> want revealed. But that's not their problem. Their problem is all the
> stuff that's the ... data dandruff of life, which they don't think of as
> secret at all but aggregates to stuff they don't want to know. Which
> aggregates not just to stuff they don't want other people to know, but
> to predictive models about them which they would be very creeped out to
> know exists at all. The data that we infer is the data in the holes
> between the data we already know if we know enough things."
>
> Reference:
>
> http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/feb/10/highlights-eben-moglens-freedom-cloud-talk/
>
> Full transcript is also available, and the video, if you want to listen
> to the talk go to position 30:00.
>
> We really need to be tinkering with the freedom box, and develop the
> freedom wall wart Eben suggested. It has to be easy to use.
>
> Mel
>
> On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 23:45 -0600, Shawn wrote:
> > http://www.priv.gc.ca/media/nr-c/2009/nr-c_090716_e.cfm
> >
> > Related to this issue, I have a question.  How do you convince the
> > "average user" that this stuff matters?
> > I've had more than one friend tell me "I don't care if Facebook shares
> > my info - I don't do anything that isn't public knowledge anyways."
> > They count ALL of Facebook, including all of the FaceBook apps in this
> > statement.  "Find out what star wars character you are", "Share 3
> > memories of your friend, then ask your friends to do the same for you",
> etc.
> >
> > I find this argument is almost, but not quite, like the saying "I don't
> > do anything illegal, so that law/policy/procedure doesn't affect me".
> > Which totally ignores the question of WHY do the authorities need to be
> > able to see my ID on demand, or whatever law/policy/procedure is being
> > discussed.
> >
> > How do you combat this lack of knowledge and indifference in the general
> > public?
> >
> > Shawn
> >
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