Eben plainly stated it is broken by design (because they, not you keep the logs). Hence, you still get free spying on your privacy. It's a business model. I would be interested in your views on this, and how you will base your re-evaluation. I would also like to know if people agree or dis-agree with the freedom-cloud-talk. It's not as much about the cloud, as about privacy.
Mel On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 00:01 -0600, Ellen Mably wrote: > When I looked at the FB privacy policy a couple of years ago I thought > it was quite inadequate, and so refused to use it. In the past few > days I was thinking of looking at it again to see if it improved after > the bad publicity that it later received. Certainly, I keep a low IN > profile and wouldn't get into a lot of the FB nonsense. > > Ellen > > On 14 June 2011 11:50, Mel Walters <[email protected]> wrote: > I saw a good answer to your question in a talk by Eben Mogelen > > The Problem is the Cruft and Data Dandruff of Life [30:00]: > "In fact the > degree of potential informational inequality, and disruption > and > difficulty that arises from a misunderstanding, a heuristic > error in the > minds of human beings about what is and is not discoverable > about them, > is now our biggest privacy problem. My students ... show > constantly in > our dialog they still, think of privacy as the one secret they > don't > want revealed. But that's not their problem. Their problem is > all the > stuff that's the ... data dandruff of life, which they don't > think of as > secret at all but aggregates to stuff they don't want to know. > Which > aggregates not just to stuff they don't want other people to > know, but > to predictive models about them which they would be very > creeped out to > know exists at all. The data that we infer is the data in the > holes > between the data we already know if we know enough things." > > Reference: > > http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/feb/10/highlights-eben-moglens-freedom-cloud-talk/ > > Full transcript is also available, and the video, if you want > to listen > to the talk go to position 30:00. > > We really need to be tinkering with the freedom box, and > develop the > freedom wall wart Eben suggested. It has to be easy to use. > > Mel > > On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 23:45 -0600, Shawn wrote: > > http://www.priv.gc.ca/media/nr-c/2009/nr-c_090716_e.cfm > > > > Related to this issue, I have a question. How do you > convince the > > "average user" that this stuff matters? > > I've had more than one friend tell me "I don't care if > Facebook shares > > my info - I don't do anything that isn't public knowledge > anyways." > > They count ALL of Facebook, including all of the FaceBook > apps in this > > statement. "Find out what star wars character you are", > "Share 3 > > memories of your friend, then ask your friends to do the > same for you", etc. > > > > I find this argument is almost, but not quite, like the > saying "I don't > > do anything illegal, so that law/policy/procedure doesn't > affect me". > > Which totally ignores the question of WHY do the authorities > need to be > > able to see my ID on demand, or whatever > law/policy/procedure is being > > discussed. > > > > How do you combat this lack of knowledge and indifference in > the general > > public? > > > > Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
