Well that is really good to know. Does any other company offer a decent data link at a decent price. The idea of $50 per month with ++ extra for anything sort of turns me off. I think we should have a mesh running. I can buy all the coffee I can drink for less than $50 per month.
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 03:06:38PM -0600, Greg Saunders wrote: > I'd stay away from Wind ... they have no coverage ... family member uses > Wind and coverage is spotty even in the city. > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:04 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > K. > > > > rethink. > > > > I'll pick up a spare netbook for the OpenBSD thing. So I can forget that > > issue. > > > > On the mobile office basically I'll just need a machine which can run say > > Ubuntu then and I need to enable the WiFi so it can function as an AP and to > > back haul the Wind Data Stick offer looks fine. This gives me the ability > > to network into my office when I'm not in the office and with the AP I > > should be able to run any cell phone and the link from the phone will be > > 802.11 to the AP which back hauls either through 3G or 4G or a mesh. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 02:33:29PM -0600, Gustin Johnson wrote: > > > Running VMs on netbooks is painful, if it works at all. The Atom > > > based netbooks (which is what powers the devices at the price point > > > that you listed) do not have virtualization support and they are > > > really just under-powered if you went the paravirtualized route or > > > vmware 3.x. > > > > > > You may also have even sketchier support for the wifi device under > > > BSD. I was a BSD guy in the 90's, but moved to Linux entirely with > > > the release of Debian Slink, have not looked back since. > > > > > > The wireless device in the cheap netbook might be a Broadcomm Pile 'O > > > Shite. In that case you probably won't be able to create an AP. > > > Intel NICs are for the most part awesome, but not as easy to make into > > > an AP as something Atheros based. YMMV. I have had mixed success > > > with some USB adapters. > > > > > > TLS/SSL does not really help you with shaping. These days traffic is > > > simply profiled using a number of metrics, and then shaping is > > > applied. The end result is that you can't avoid shaping, though I do > > > not believe that this has to be a bad thing. > > > > > > <OT rant>Shaping in and of itself is not a bad thing. I do it to my > > > home network for a reason. The discussion should not be about who > > > shapes and who doesn't, but it should be about the fairness of that > > > shaping. If Shaw shapes Netflix traffic so much that it degrades the > > > quality of the product, well that is a bad thing. > > > > > > On the other hand shaping bittorrent traffic so that my connection is > > > not flooded into uselessness by a neighbor is a good thing. Both > > > sides of this so-called net-neutrality debate > > > have an abundance of idiots who have no idea what they are talking > > > about. This is not a zero sum game and both sides are going to need > > > to work together. I am not optimistic. > > > </OT rant> > > > > > > There have been several attempts to get a community based civic mesh > > > network off the ground over the past few years. I am interested in > > > participating if this gets beyond the wishing stage. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm brain storming. > > > > > > > > I need a mobil office. Here is a plan. Does it work? Does it make > > any sense? > > > > > > > > 1) I pick up a netbook ($169) - install say Ubuntu on it but I'd like > > triple boot with say Ubuntu, OpenBSD and (uggh) winders. I'd like a Lion > > on it too! Poss through a VM. > > > > > > > > 2) I set up a 3G or 4G link via say Wind for $29 / month. This gives > > me unlimnited data they say. > > > > > > > > 3) I enable the netbook as a WiFi AP and set up DHCPD. Thus it is a > > router and via the 3G link I should be able to configure it into my home > > network. > > > > > > > > 4) Thus I now have a mobile office. > > > > > > > > 5) I need to take my new gr 10 student with me until school starts and > > she needs help with geometry and I need to be at a job site. Via the AP > > she's got a mobile office. She can hit her old school in NYC and work on > > her assignments and if she needs help I'm there to help her. > > > > > > > > (BTW. For her geometry I'm coaching for 100%'s.) > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) I aquire say a Motorola Photon (not urgent). I'm going to need to > > open that puppy up. When I do so and as part of this I want to make an > > image of whatever is in there so that if it gets bricked I can reflash it. > > Meanwhile I'm going to be setting up what I need. > > > > > > > > Moto blur has to die. So does all the other crapola. I don't even > > know what it is yet. > > > > > > > > 7) Perhaps we install Asterisk on the netbook and perhaps we install it > > in a server back in my office. I have not thought this through. > > > > > > > > 8) We put the phone into airplane mode and totally shut it off from the > > telcos. > > > > > > > > 9) Since I will always be reasonably close to the netbook and it has > > the 3G data link I should be able to run VoIP back into my office and the > > asterisk server if necessary. > > > > > > > > 10) By doing this I get unlimited local calls. No roaming. unlimited > > North American LD if I want to tie in a land based plan back in my office. > > > > > > > > 11) We tunnel back through TLS so they can't shape traffic. If they do > > the answer is dump the vendor. > > > > > > > > 12) I want the multi-boot because I want that mobile netbook to be > > available as a hot spare for other things back in the office and to serve as > > a neat demo machine. > > > > > > > > 13) We then tie the mobile netbook into hot spots and set up a city > > wide mesh for all CLUG (and I want to invite CUUG) and sister groups who > > think doing a project like this will be fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > What have I missed? Other than this might be a project that will prove > > we are worthy? > > > > > > > > Terr. > > > > > > > > I'll buy the netbook and put it on-line on a static IP so all > > participants can work with it. Be nice to have conferencing set up. We > > should be able to do this. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > Also I've been talking with a nurse from Zimbawe (very serious) and > > she's trying to set up something for her village and next her country which > > is very corrupt. If we can pull this off then her team might be very > > interested and we might get some funding. > > > > > > > > I'd like to do something to help corrupt 3rd world countries. OLPC I > > think will fit into this. > > > > > > > > If we can get this running then the genie is out of the bottle as I see > > it. > > > > > > > > One way for CLUG / CUUG is to extend for anyone (the guinea pigs) an > > opportunity to open their WiFi and turn it into a club hot spot for say a > > membership in a BOF (birds of a feather) project so that as ppl drive around > > their minuets will be routed to our network and not Ma Bell's. > > > > > > > > But those thoughts are waayyy down the track. > > > > > > > > Is this possible? Can we do it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Terr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 06:45:05PM -0600, [email protected] wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I did a google search looking for the next install fest and this came > > up: > > > >> > > > >> http://www.clug.ca/node/423 > > > >> > > > >> I presume this is scheduled for 2012/05/13 since there seems to be no > > reference to the year. > > > >> > > > >> I called Dave Watkins and he advised me he doesn't know about this > > yet. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I'd like to make a suggestion that CLUG schedual say 3-4 install fests > > per year (presuming there is enough interest) and that this be posted > > prominently on the CLUG website. I think it should be advertized at SAIT > > and the UofC and perhaps CLUG can alternate between these locations. Other > > suggestions are welcome. > > > >> > > > >> Also depending on my availablilty I will volunteer to help. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> That being said I'd like some install help. I have a machine which > > lacks a CD and floppy and I think the only way to get an O/S installed in it > > is via a USB boot. I have NEVER set up a USB boot before. > > > >> > > > >> In fact I have no USB devices other than a memory stick. > > > >> > > > >> I want to put in Ubuntu Linux - probably with all the bells and > > whistles. I also want to get a VM running and a running image of some of > > the (ugg) winders stuff. (like NT 4.0) and maybe even DOS. > > > >> > > > >> One of the reasons for DOS is that I have quite a lot of specialized > > DOS software that I would like to get running. Some is my own code which > > drives plotters via an RS232 I/F. > > > >> > > > >> If I can get this running somehow it would be great. I tried either > > DOSEMU or DOSBOX on this machine (Debian Sarge) and it crashed the system as > > I recall. > > > >> > > > >> I'd probably like to get OS/2 running in a VM as well if possible > > because I happen to have some apps which I bought years ago which might be > > nice to run. > > > >> > > > >> Of course I can do all this myself but just like most others I do not > > find frustrations to be rewarding. Maybe I can help others in return for > > some help setting up some pretty fancy stuff. > > > >> > > > >> In addition I think CLUG should invite CUUG and any other sister > > groups to help share the work and the fun. > > > >> > > > >> Terr > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> clug-talk mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > > >> Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > > >> **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > clug-talk mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > clug-talk mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > > _______________________________________________ > > clug-talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > > **Please remove these lines when replying > > > _______________________________________________ > clug-talk mailing list > [email protected] > http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca > Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) > **Please remove these lines when replying _______________________________________________ clug-talk mailing list [email protected] http://clug.ca/mailman/listinfo/clug-talk_clug.ca Mailing List Guidelines (http://clug.ca/ml_guidelines.php) **Please remove these lines when replying
