That "hack" isn't quite right, I think. Red Hat bought a license for UEFI a year or two ago. So the Red Hat systems should install on UEFI without issue. I have not heard anything that indicates Ubuntu has bought a similar license.

So from pure speculation based on this, I think the "hack" you mentioned is actually the legit way to deal with UEFI.

Shawn

On 13-05-27 02:42 PM, Anand Singh wrote:
I just went through this recently.  Here is my experience:

I was using Fedora on an Asus Zenbook with Win8/UEFI, but due to
Fedora's kernel-of-the-week policy causing problems with VMWare
Workstation, I decided to try Ubuntu.  Fedora installed with no
problems.  Ubuntu would not even boot off the CD.  What I eventually
learned was that Fedora/Arch/OpenSuse (among others) use a hack to get
around UEFI secure boot.  Ubuntu either doesn't use this hack or doesn't
have it implemented well.  Fortunately the Zenbook has an option to
disable secure boot, but of course this breaks Windows 8.  Apparently if
you disable secure boot (but leave UEFI enabled), run the Windows boot
repair utility, then install Ubuntu it works on *some* systems.
  Manually renaming the Windows UEFI file to its original name
apparently brings Windows back to life on systems where Windows stopped
booting after a linux install.

Anand.

On 2013-05-27, at 1:42 PM, Geekus Villagius <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Thanks for the helpful responses. The computer is not mine, so wiping
Windows is a non-starter. I'm in Edmonton most of the time now, but
might be around this weekend.


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    You might find success with the first paragraph outlined here:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI

    Being a tad bit anti-windows, I usually just wipe it and go
    straight for
    Mint or Debian,
    so I have no practical experience in the matter. :/

    Please let me know how that works out for you.

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    into the
    > 'BIOS' and then switching from UEFI to legacy BIOS.
    > Mint runs well on the system.
    > Windows (which the laptop owner needs for now) will not run
    unless the
    > system has UEFI boot enabled. In legacy mode there is an
    "Operating System
    > not found" error.
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    I'm going to be building some machines in the next short while.  I
    tried
    with Ubuntu and I'm not impressed.  My next try will be Debian and I'm
    familiar with this since I'e been running it since about 1998.

    I have a couple new boots.  Is there interest in an install fest?

    On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 01:23:28PM -0600, Josh G wrote:
    > You might find success with the first paragraph outlined here:
    >
    > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
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    > Being a tad bit anti-windows, I usually just wipe it and go
    straight for
    > Mint or Debian,
    > so I have no practical experience in the matter. :/
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    (not mine) from
    > > a live CD.  I met with success after several attempts to get
    into the
    > > 'BIOS' and then switching from UEFI to legacy BIOS.
    > > Mint runs well on the system.
    > > Windows (which the laptop owner needs for now) will not run
    unless the
    > > system has UEFI boot enabled. In legacy mode there is an
    "Operating System
    > > not found" error.
    > >
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    My laptop dual boots Windows 8 and Ubuntu (I had Windows 7
    previously so I
    know that this can also work with that OS).

    I have GRUB as the boot manager, and Window 8 is just another
    entry in my
    Grub menu.

    The bad news is that I installed Windows *after* I already had
    Linux on my
    laptop andI had set  UEFI to boot in Legacy mode first, which then
    runs
    Grub.  I also had to disable the secure boot option.  In my case
    it was
    made easier because I have 3 SSDs in my laptop, I could give each
    OS it's
    own dedicated drive, with a data drive (sort of shared, I can read
    ext4
    from windows but writing I don't trust).  When installing Windows,
    you have
    to set that disk as the primary boot device in the UEFI interface
    (or BIOS
    on an older machine).  Once installed you can make your Linux disk
    the boot
    device and then use grub (it should autodetect and add the Windows
    instance) to boot them both.

    I am pretty sure that Grub and Linux can boot from UEFI, but I
    have never
    had to actually try this.  There is some ubuntu documentation here:
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
    So this might help to get you started with Mint.

    I am not a big fan of dual booting, especially on a single hard
    drive.  I
    have found that people who "need" Windows rarely if ever bother to
    reboot
    into Linux (or any other OS for that matter), so having the dual boot
    configuration is usually just adding needless complexity IMO.
     Generally
    Virtualbox usually meets the needs of someone who wants to use the
    other OS
    without the hassle of maintaining a dual boot configuration.




    On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Geekus Villagius
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    > On the long weekend, I tried to run Linux Mint 14 on laptop (not
    mine)
    > from a live CD.  I met with success after several attempts to
    get into the
    > 'BIOS' and then switching from UEFI to legacy BIOS.
    > Mint runs well on the system.
    > Windows (which the laptop owner needs for now) will not run
    unless the
    > system has UEFI boot enabled. In legacy mode there is an
    "Operating System
    > not found" error.
    >
    > Any suggestions for creating a successful dual-boot setup? Can
    booting
    > Windoze 7 be enabled after by some minor Grub magic, or would
    another
    > distro with a UEFI key be an available option?
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