Well that sheds a whole different light on this situation - the complaint must have been involving this type of care you fired the CNA for or in fact the CNA. The Feds are very, very big on any abuse, neglect issues - the F-tags you mentioned are related to policy on abuse/neglect and investigations and not hiring staff who are guilty or reported to registry with abuse or neglect issues - there seems to be more to this issue. Yes, they have a right to go through employee files. Holly QI in CT
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Morris, RN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defecien > cy? > > Actually, the feds were here with the state, to survey them! She started out just > observing then she began to ask questions & collect data for herself... making > copies & such. She repeatedly told us she was not here to survey us, just to watch > the state surveyor. She left before the exit interview, but in the process another > state surveyor had arrived. Actually, this complaint investigation was conducted > exactly like a survey which was alarming to us... we are due for an actual survey & > we wished they would go and do both! > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Holly McGran <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:10 AM > Subject: RE: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defecien cy? > > Have you guys considered bringing it to the federal level? One year we did do > this and we actually had some issues dropped that had no basis for a deficiency > (this was many years ago). Good Luck > Holly QI in CT > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jamie Morris, RN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:58 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defecien > cy? > > > > We reported this to the state after the surveyors treated it as grounds for > a deficiency. It was investigated when it occurred and that led to the reprimand... > I am not involved with employee discipline... I would assume compliance rounds would > be made behind her for awhile. My administrator wanted to know if it was normal for > a deficiency to be written from our disciplinary action. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gola, Tammy <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <mailto:'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'> <<mailto:'[EMAIL > PROTECTED]'>> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:40 AM > > Subject: RE: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defecien > cy? > > > > Did you report this mistreatment to the state, or investigate the > > mistreatment when it occurred? > > > > > > Tammy Gola BSN, RN, CRNAC > > Wilkes-Barre General Hospital > > Transitional Care Unit > > 575 North River Street > > Wilkes-Barre, PA. 187641-0001 > > 570-552-5417 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jamie Morris, RN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:45 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > Subject: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defeciency? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a recent complaint investigation the surveyors asked to see an > > ex-employee's personal file. It contained a disciplinary action r/t her > > residents found wet (saturated) and having dried BM on them. The employee > > was reprimanded for this (she was terminated later that day due to another > > issue that was not related to resident care). In the exit interview (we have > > not received the written deficiencies yet) the reprimand was referred to> > > give us F224, F225 & F226. Has anyone ever heard of this being done? > > > > > > > /---------------------------------------------------------- > The Case Mix Discussion Group is a free service of the > American Association of Nurse Assessment Coordinators > "Committed to the Assessment Professional" > Be sure to visit the AANAC website. Accurate answers to your > questions posted to NAC News and FAQs. > For more info visit us at <http://www.aanac.org> > -----------------------------------------------------------/ > /---------------------------------------------------------- The Case Mix Discussion Group is a free service of the American Association of Nurse Assessment Coordinators "Committed to the Assessment Professional" Be sure to visit the AANAC website. Accurate answers to your questions posted to NAC News and FAQs. For more info visit us at http://www.aanac.org -----------------------------------------------------------/
