Re: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defecien cy?

[meowmie]

just a surveyor comment.........

 

a little over a year ago one of my surveys had a federal follow-up. During my survey, I encountered a complaint investigation the facility had reported to to us, had been investigated, and so forth by us. So, during the annual survey, it was not looked into any further, we had already done it. During the federal follow-up, the surveyor cited the incident and issued deficiencies. During our follow-up call between the state and federal surveyors to compare the results of the federal follow-up to the state survey, we were told even though we had looked at it in a complaint investigation, it had to be looked at again in the annual survey, and cited if needed. The state complaint process is (according to them) a separate animal from the federal survey process. so this surveyor is always lerning something new. We are still in the process of trying to get more clarification on the whole situation, since we felt since we had looked at it once, why look at it again....... but as we all know, wheels turn slowly.

 

"Jamie Morris, RN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Actually, the feds were here with the state, to survey them!  She started out just observing then she began to ask questions & collect data for herself... making copies & such. She repeatedly told us she was not here to survey us, just to watch the state surveyor. She left before the exit interview, but in the process another state surveyor had arrived.  Actually, this complaint investigation was conducted exactly like a survey which was alarming to us... we are due for an actual survey & we wished they would go and do both!

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From: Holly McGran

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Subject: RE: survey question- disciplinary action used to write a defecien cy?

Have you guys considered bringing it to the federal level? One year we did do this and we actually had some issues dropped that had no basis for a deficiency (this was many years ago). Good Luck
Holly QI in CT

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> From: Jamie Morris, RN [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> We reported this to the state after the surveyors treated it as grounds for a deficiency. It was investigated when it occurred and that led to the reprimand... I am not involved with employee discipline... I would assume compliance rounds would be made behind her for awhile.  My administrator wanted to know if it was normal for a deficiency to be written from our disciplinary action.
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> Did you report this mistreatment to the state, or investigate the
> mistreatment when it occurred?
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> Tammy Gola BSN, RN, CRNAC
> Wilkes-Barre General Hospital
> Transitional Care Unit
> 575 North River Street
> Wilkes-Barre, PA. 187641-0001
> 570-552-5417
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> On a recent complaint investigation the surveyors asked to see an
> ex-employee's personal file. It contained a disciplinary action r/t her
> residents found wet (saturated) and having dried BM on them. The employee
> was reprimanded for this (she was terminated later that day due to another
> issue that was not related to resident care). In the exit interview (we have
> not received the written deficiencies yet) the reprimand was referred to
> give us F224, F225 & F226. Has anyone ever heard of this being done?
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