The top of page 1-15 states "An RAI must be completed for any resident resident residing in the facility longer than 14 days, including:" So it would not be "longer" than 14 days if the resident left before the end of the 14th day. Also I clarified this with the PA RAI coordinator and was told the same thing.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gola, Tammy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: RE: 14 day Medicare > Thanks sooo much Carol!!!!! > Of course you now know what my next questions is: can you tell me where > this is documented so that I have the proof that I don't need to do an > admission OBRA when they are d/c'd on day 14 > > Thanks > > Tammy Gola BSN, RN, CRNAC > Wilkes-Barre General Hospital > Transitional Care Unit > 575 North River Street > Wilkes-Barre, PA. 187641-0001 > 570-552-5417 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol maher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 2:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 14 day Medicare > > > You could just do a 00/1 if the resident left on day 14. Pennsylvania does > not require an admission assessment if the resident was not in the facility > the full 14 days. If they left before 11.59 PM on day 14 , an admission > assessment is not required. You need to keep any assessment that you > started, but did not complete, on the resident's medical record and make a > notation about why the assessment was not completed. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gola, Tammy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:40 AM > Subject: RE: 14 day Medicare > > > > But do you need to code the assessment 01/1 if they leave on day 14, or > can > > it be coded 00/1 (this is for the 5 day MDS), I guess my question is at > > least do you have to have an OBRA admission assessment if they leave on > day > > 14 > > > > Tammy Gola BSN, RN, CRNAC > > Wilkes-Barre General Hospital > > Transitional Care Unit > > 575 North River Street > > Wilkes-Barre, PA. 187641-0001 > > 570-552-5417 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brenda Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:34 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: 14 day medicare > > > > > > You are correct! > > > > Brenda W. Chance, RN, RAC-C > > MDS Coordinator > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > > confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > > please > > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the > > original > > message. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karen Marolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:15 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: 14 day medicare > > > > We are hospital based, most everyone goes home before day 14 so we do > > the initial assmt with the 14 day mds. Our ard is usually day 12---but > > if the pt discharges on day 14 I was always under the understanding that > > the 14 day assmt did not have to be completed, *-Am I wrong???? > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/19/2004 11:41:07 AM >>> > > If the resident was at your facility for 14 days, then your assessment > > must be coded as an admission assessment completed with raps. > > Brenda W. Chance, RN, RAC-C > > MDS Coordinator > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > > confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. 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If RAPS are > > already done follow the instructions in RAI manual, page 3-239, and > > enter > > same date in VB2 as in VB1. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:41 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: 14 day medicare > > > > > > If an admitted res on medicare goes to hospital after the 14 day > > admission > > assessment is completed with raps and all, is it necessary to do > > another? > > Or > > can you just code it a 14 day medicare assessment like you would the 5 > > day? > > Thanks. > > /---------------------------------------------------------- > > The Case Mix Discussion Group is a free service of the > > American Association of Nurse Assessment Coordinators > > "Committed to the Assessment Professional" > > Be sure to visit the AANAC website. 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