Re: time off- christmas

[Nathan]

While I would guess the owner does have the right to revoke vacation, I am not sure he has the right to do so retroactively which seems to be your situation. If you were actually on vacation at the time the announcement was made, you might pursue legal action if you want.   Marie - I know you can't give legal advice, but can you point us in the right direction. Is there something that could be actionable here?   Nathan ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Rich To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:30 AM Subject: Re: time off- christmas I work in a facility in the state of Tenn. The owner of this facility recently walked in and revoked all vacation time. Employees were told all time was lost and they started at square one as of Jan. 1 2004. Also told vacation was to be taken between may 30 and sept. 1st for the entire facility. I had been off the week before because of my honeymoon and was told although the administrator approved it 1 month prior it would not be vacation because all vacation had been lost. One emplyee had taken her last two weeks vac. prior to retirement and was depending on this check to carry her over until retirement kicked in and was denied her pay. What do you think of someone who would be this unethical and immoral? nursing staff already work at dangerously short ratios. Decubitus ulcer are on the rise, wgt loss has gone up, complaints from families and physicians and morale is nonexsistant. does anyone have a suggestion? I am already job hunting. The really sad part is there were good staff here and at one time cared. I feel now care in negligent and it scares me. m silberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bingo.... this is what the problem is with our lousy profession. After all, we are only human and do enjoy spending at least a fair share of holidays an d a vacation with our families. Nathan wrote: I wonder how many nurses and CNAs end up quitting a job just to get a vacation. With the upcoming nursing shortage, this will probably become more common. Around November/December and again in the summer I bet resignations go up. Nurses quit, take a vacation and then get another job. With there being little benefit to staying with one employer, why not do it this way? Nathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: RE: time off- christmas The unfairness r/t seniority if no checks in place is the reason our policies changed r/t vacation from Memorial to Labor Day and over the Christmas holidays. I had worked here 2 years and could not get a summer vacation. People with seniority would request practically the whole summer off as much as a year in advance and with staffing quotas that left the rest of us out in the cold. Needless to say, I with my many years of working and a "big" mouth stirred the pot and won. After all, we have 4 seasons here Getting ready for winter, having winter, recovering from winter and a short summer and I don't care how long anyone has worked anywhere, every one is entitled to a little prime time off. Ditto for Christmas although I usually volunteer to work Christmas as I have no children living at home anymore. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Connie L. Frank Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:23 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: time off- christmas We're union. They have off by when the request was turned in and seniority. In the past, administration discouraged staff from requesting off after Dec 15 but now even the top staff take off the 2 weeks. There are MANY disgruntled employees as a result of this. You can encourage staff to take turns and consider the feelings of others, however when so many feel it is owed them as they gain seniority, some will never see a holiday off..... Some CNAs and Licensed staff just move to departments that don't have to work holidays, like housekeeping, laundry and maintenance. It's the only way they can get the time off....and you are losing some extremely competent people from the nursing dept. -----Original Message----- From: Holly McGran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: time off- christmas We do the same - we have had that in our personnel policy for many years - people will get use to it. Holly QI in CT -----Original Message----- From: Eva Scott [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: time off- christmas Hi, all- I know this is not mds, but I was to check with other facilities about this: We are re-doing our employee handbook. At present we do not allow vacation time to be taken from 12/20-1/2. We allow 2 christmas holidays and New years holiday to be used during this time and regular days off. This is so we have enough staff and the same longevity staff don't always take the 2 weeks of christmas off. We are trying to be fair to staff and cover resident needs. However, some are now grumbling and want to change. 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