RE: Therapy min

[Doyle, Renee]

I meant the total individual time was 4 days and 60 minutes (15 min/day). -----Original Message----- From: Christine Kroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:58 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Therapy min The way I read the regulations, group time may not exceed 25% of total time spent in therapy (by discipline) in the 7 day look back on the MDS. So if you have 4 days of 60 minute individual treatment sessions and one day of a 45 minute group session, then your total therapy time is 4 times 60 = 240 minutes plus the group time 45 minutes= 285 minutes of total therapy for that discipline. 25% of 285 is 71 minutes. So you could capture up to 71 minutes of group time and still be within the regulations. In this instance I would count the total group time. I may have misunderstood your example below, because I do agree with your last statement that you would count only 20 minutes of group out of 80 minutes total. I just did not follow how you got to just 80 minutes if there were 4 days of individual treatment.  -----Original Message----- From: Doyle, Renee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:03 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Therapy min Here's what I do:  I add up all the minutes for the individual treatments and divide by three.  Total group time on the MDS cannot exceed that number.  I can rarely use the all the minutes they actually receive in group because they usually only get OT a few times a week (individual) and the exercise groups (weekly) are longer.  For example, resident has 4 days/60 minutes of individual treatment plus one 45-minute group.  60 divided by three = 20.  I can only claim 20 minutes of the group time (1/4 or 25% of the total) for 5 days/80 minutes.  20 minutes of group/out of 80 minutes total = 25% or 1/4.  Hope this makes sense! -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Pippin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Therapy min I would like to see how everyone checks therapy min. If therapy is working in a group with residents do you add all min for the last 7 days including the group time and then times it by .25 % and subtract from your total? If someone has a formula please send it?   Thanks Lisa Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact Lisa Pippin by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Shannon Medical Center