Actually I think that Guido gave me sort of a hybrid of G1 and G2 for my 25. I had to install the track, which involved drill & fill the deck, redrill the holes, and manufacture backing plates out of 1 ½ wide aluminum stock. I used 1 ¼ T track, so the cars used had to be from the G2 system.
But the standup blocks and control blocks on my 25 look like those in the photo of the G1, and are smaller than the comparable components on my 38. Looks like they might have used 40 series blocks for the 25 and 60 series blocks for the 38. In any case, I got charges the price of the G1 system, which I considered to be a bargain. I’ve always been impressed by the workmanship, robustness and value of Garhauer stuff. To the point that almost all of the hardware on both of my boats (rigid vangs, deck organizers, rope clutches genoa cars, the upgraded traveler on the 38, the backstay tensioner on the 25, turning blocks, snatch blocks, even the rope falls on the dinghy davits on the 38) has been upgraded to Garhauer over the years. I guess you’d call me a happy customer. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:47 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Converting Pin-stop Genoa Cars to adjustable Yeh the EZ G2 was overkill, but I liked the look of them! The cars were machined to fit my track too, at no cost. sam :-) On 2012-10-05, at 7:00 PM, "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: I have the Garhauer system on both my 25 and my 38. I likes the system on the 38 so much I added tracks and cars to the 25 as well. I noticed the post from Sam saying he put the EZ G2 system on his 26, which is what Garhauer recommended for my 38. They indicated the EZ G1 for my 25 based on sheet loading calculations. Call Guido at Garhauer and he can tell you what to buy and how much it will cost. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:42 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Converting Pin-stop Genoa Cars to adjustable Rick, I was making an assumption that the prices on the Garhauer site were "per" and doubling up! I should have called them. Much more affordable! Thanks for clarifying that! Jonathan -- Jonathan Trade Show Services Cell: (203) 395 0225 www.tradeshowservicesusa.com On Oct 5, 2012, at 20:31, "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: Dennis is correct, go for a quality system. I presume your pin stop cars for Merriman track are like the ones that came on my boat. Regardless of the size of the split rings, you would never be able to adjust non-bearing cars under load and that is pretty much the whole idea of of converting to line adjustable cars. I don’t quite understand why you say the Garhauer cars will cost about $800. The price for the EZ G2-UB system (with the stand-up swivel block) in my latest Garhauer price list is $302. (That is what I have on my 38, BTW, and it works great.) If you want overkill and go to the EZ G3 heavy duty cars (with a non=swivel block that will accommodate two sheets for sail changes), the list price is $363. That is two cars, two control line blocks, for both port and starboard. Adding the swivel cam cleats to put the control lines at the end of the track would add $100, or you could lead the control lines to a cam cleat on each cockpit combing. If I had it to do over, I’d put a cleat on the combing instead of getting the swivel cleats, which are sort of in inconveniently positioned outside of the primary winches on my 38. When I bought my cars a few years ago, Guido machined the cars to fit my Merriman H track at no cost. Guido said they used to do it a lot, but I bet it is less common these days. I’ve crewed on boats with both Lewmar and Harken systems, and I would rate the Garhauers I have to be as good as the Harken and better than the Lewmars I have had experience with. They are not as pretty as the Harkens, and perhaps they weigh a few ounces more, but the Garhauer system is bulletproof and moves effortlessly under load – which is what really matters to me. Rick Brass Imzadi -1976 C&C 38 mk1 la Belle Aurore -1975 C&C 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:49 PM To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Converting Pin-stop Genoa Cars to adjustable Wise advice. Thank you Part of my problem is that I cannot find strong stainless split rings that will go through the holes of my pins in the cars to allow them to be adjusted easily. So if I could find a source for the correct size and strength split rings I could put off on investing in the adjustable cars for a year or so! Jonathan _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Converting Pin-stop Genoa Cars to adjustable Jonathan, One of the dangers of asking for info/advice/opinions on this list is you may get a response you don't want to hear. Whenever I don't go first rate and buy a premium system, I end up being dissatisfied and wishing I'd spent the extra $$. My opinion, buy a whole adjustable ball bearing genoa car system including track. New tracks won't cost but a fraction of the whole system. The newer systems don't use T-track. T-tracks don't handle the loads as well as the newer tracks. Years ago, I bought the Lewmar Ocean 1 genoa car system because I was trying to save a few $$$. I bought the pin stop cars. Then I decided I wanted the adjustable cars so I upgraded. Lewmar's adjustable cars didn't move well under load even though they were ball bearing cars. So....when Lewmar brought out some "new, improved" ball bearing cars I upgraded....again. They're much better but still don't move like Harken cars. Overall, I've probably spent more than the Harken system. :( So....try to save $$$ and fall short of being satisfied OR open the wallet and get a system that works really well and brings you joy. Your choice. Your needs and budget may be different than mine. If I had it to over, I'd open the wallet and buy the Harken system even if I had to wait another year or two. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA _____ From: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: Stus-List Converting Pin-stop Genoa Cars to adjustable I was wondering if anyone had found a way to convert the Merriman genoa cars on the C&C 35MK III (or similar) so they are fully adjustable. I believe the track is 1 ¼ inch “T” track. I have looked at Garhauer’s EZ Glide, and that is a possibility, but a little pricey – looks like the set up I would need will come in at close to $800 before control lines. I wonder if there are alternatives – particularly ones that do not involve replacing the track! 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