Keep looking and don't settle. I got my 32 for 18k, that's right in your ballpark. I was originally looking for 27s and 29s but I didn't find any that were reasonably priced or even in reasonable shape. I went to look at the 32 on a whim because it was the closest boat to me, and a broker boat no less .. something I'de been avoiding up to that point. I had driven to NY to look at boats on the south shore of Lake Ontario, not a complete waste of time because it helped me compare and understand the market better.
And you know what? The 32, literally 5 minutes from my house, was easily in way better shape than any of the boats I'de looked at up to that point. I was sold on it instantly. It was more boat than I hoped for and it was in reach. Life is short and I can be pretty impulsive so I made an offer, had it surveyed and bought the boat. I think the PO was happy to get the 18k and I think he was happy to deal with me, we got along great. Some other guy was in line before me but he was a huge hassle for the seller. I lucked out, the PO was a great guy. I don't race so my requirements may be different than yours. My boat is a freshwater boat and it surveyed well. The sails were worn out and I just spent $1600 (shipping in!) all told on a genoa from Rolly Tasker, it's a great sail and an incredible value. The main is still usable and will be for a couple of years yet. Canvas is still good, not great, but doesn't need replacing. .... but I have spent a lot. I've spent money refurbishing the head/tanks/freshwater/wiring/instruments/stereo/solar and the list goes on. A boat that has had that stuff done is worth more, but then, if you do it yourself it's really YOUR boat. My boat is MY boat! I EARNED it because I fixed the shit out of it! Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Knowles Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > How about having a peek at my LF 38 just to get another picture? > > Rich Knowles > Indigo. LF 38 > Halifax NS > > > On 2013-08-01, at 20:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for all the comments. > > > > Danny - Yes - I'm aware the "good condition" sails and the "year or 2" > left in the canvas are pointing at need for replacement before long. Guy > selling the boat seems pretty straight, so I don't think he's over valuing > the sails and they are totally shot. > > As for the Nada value and the price - it is my understanding the NADA > value is US based, boats locally list for a lot more than that. Not much I > can do other than buy a boat in the US and ship/sail it back. As Mike > noted - the cost of that adds up quickly. Rough quote to ship a 30 back > from NY was over $6000 by land. I could have it sailed back for $2000, but > I'd still have the expense of going down to look and having to pay for > required repairs at a unfamiliar yard before it could sail home. > > > > Bob's example of a good condition 29 for $13500 - plus the cradle ends > up being ~$15500. Then add the cost of getting it home (either I take a > week off work or I pay to have it sailed back) - total $17-18000. He > likely has better sails but the price is pretty close in the end. > > > > In this case the boat has a pretty good trailer - value of ~ $2000, > saving me the cost of buying a cradle. Another 29-2 for sale locally is > listed at $26000 with racing sails. 30's listed for $22-30000 (at the > cheaper end they are in rough shape, needing new sails and deck work). > > > > Having looked at this boat I think I'd be happy to get it for $17000 - > but I doubt he'll sell it for that. Maybe I'm off in my value because all > the boat prices are listed so high and the actual selling prices are much > lower. > > > > Stevan - I had my eye on a nice 32 - but it sold (apparently in > brilliant shape and sold for ~$30000). I'd consider anything from a 29 to > a 33. Still trying to keep costs down (total purchase and up-keep) while > finding a boat big enough to enjoy with the kids. 29 is the smallest I > think that could work. When I was on a 33 2weeks ago it seemed huge > inside, yet not much more useable space. > > > > In the end my local options are limited and the prices are higher than > areas with a lot more population. I could buy cheaper but most seem to > need more work. I could travel, but that adds costs. For a good looking > boat that fits my needs and my eye, I'll pay a bit extra for ease of > getting it local, but don't want to get fleeced. Hopefully I can convince > him that my price is fair, but I expect he'll think I'm low-balling. > > > > Thanks for the advice > > Mark > > > > > > --------------------- > > Dr. Mark Bodnar > > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > > Bedford Chiropractic > > www.bedfordchiro.ca > > --------------------- > > > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > > - George Santayana > > > > On 01/08/2013 9:48 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: > >> It will cost a lot more than 4000 to get the LIS boat to canada. Cradle > >> alone is 1500. You will have to ship the 29 by road and that will be > >> pricey. The local boat is a serious bargain compared to the US one. > >> This is more true if the trailer is road worthy and not junk > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. > >> Mark Bodnar > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:30 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Stus-List Another boat > >> > >> > >> Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on > >> Sunday. > >> > >> > http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C > >> -C-29-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 > >> > >> Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough > >> (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). > >> > >> The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min > >> drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming > >> the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). > >> He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine > >> supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no > >> dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where > >> > >> someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a > >> bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover > >> reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left > >> > >> in fabric) > >> > >> The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? > >> > >> (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to > >> sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long > >> way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and > >> the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a > >> local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) > >> > >> NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 > >> ----------------- > >> Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000 > >> > http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal- > >> 9-2-Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 > >> (NADA value at $13800) > >> Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). > >> > >> Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the > >> comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw > >> water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online > >> > >> comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts > >> > >> of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. > >> > >> I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or > >> > >> something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my > >> > >> own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end > >> looks either! > >> > >> Any thoughts appreciated, > >> Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] >
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