Joe, please don't think I was making that accusation! You're obviously a man of impeccable taste, as show by the boat you sail.
Andy Peregrine On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Joe Della Barba <[email protected]>wrote: > Didn’t say I **liked them**, just that if any boat was ever built to hit > things, that one would be it!**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Joe Della Barba**** > > [email protected]**** > > *From:* Andrew Burton [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:02 AM > *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 34R hull**** > > ** ** > > Joe after beating an old Out House 41 with a busted engine up the > Chesapeake for 65 hours, tacking through 120+ degrees and making a ton of > leeway, I know which boat I'd rather sail. Those OI 41s are like Cadillacs; > they looked good coming off the showroom floor, but boy did they go > downhill fast and start looking like hell in a hurry! I can't believe > anyone has a soft spot in their heart for them, but some people do. I'll > stick with my beautiful C&C that sails like a witch, thank you!**** > > Andy**** > > C&C 40**** > > Peregrine**** > > ** ** > > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Joe Della Barba <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Owning an old 35 MK I, I wouldn’t say the old boats were indestructible > tanks like an Out Island. The build weight of a 35 was supposed to be > 10,500 pounds, which was kind of light for a 35 foot boat back in the day. > I will say the boat has held up for 40 years of now of some very heavy use, > so obviously the boat is strong enough. The hull does work in a heavy sea – > unlike many newer boats a lot of the internal structure is kind of floating > in the liner and doesn’t really reinforce the boat. The keel attachment > with the stub keel the lead bolts to IS a lot better than a lot of newer > boats. It isn’t as fast though as a narrow piece of lead bolted straight to > the hull. **** > > **** > > Joe Della Barba**** > > Coquina**** > > C&C 35 MK I**** > > [email protected]**** > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ken > Heaton > *Sent:* Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:02 AM > *To:* cnc-list**** > > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 34R hull**** > > **** > > Hi Chuck,**** > > **** > > The schedule was different for the 37+ (& XL). The XL was built with the > 37+ schedule unless you specifically ordered the R schedule. For example, > I have the build file for hull #72 and the sales order shows the owner paid > $4,000.00 extra for the "37R Laminate Hull & Deck" in his build.**** > > **** > > Don't forget the laminate wasn't just "1 oz chop and 1 oz mat", it also > had two layers of C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat, one layer inside the balsa and > one out above the waterline.**** > > **** > > Below the waterline the layup was one layer 1 oz. chop, one layer 1 oz. > mat and one layer of C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat outside the balsa and one layer > of C72K/100 Fabmat inside. This Fabmat is much heavier than the 1 oz. chop > and 1 oz. mat at about 2.47 oz. for the C72K/100 and 4.94 oz. for the > C77K/200.**** > > **** > > The layup was much heavier at the turn of the bilge across the (almost) > flat bottom of the hull to the keel sump as an additional two layers of > C77/200 Kevlar Fabmat were added and further, in the keel sump, the balsa > was replaced with two layers of Compositex.**** > > **** > > Ken H.**** > > **** > > On 11 October 2013 08:41, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Ken, That's interesting. 1 oz chop and 1 oz mat seem ridiculously light. > Doesn't say how many layers of each? Was the schedule different for the > plus? the XL? > > FWIW, I'm holding the 4" circle I cut from the deck when I installed solar > fans on my 34R. The piece measures 1/32 shy of 1" thick, and I can see the > many layers of glass, with two separate layers of kevlar with their yellow > fuzzy ends. The balsa is 3/4", outer glass layer w gel coat is 5/32", and > interior layer is 3/32" thick approximately. **** > > Chuck > *Resolute* > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Heaton" <[email protected]> > *To: *"cnc-list" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:08:03 PM**** > > > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List 34R hull**** > > From the factory drawings, the Laminate Schedule for the 1990 C&C 37 R was: > **** > > C&C 37R Laminate, Hydrex resin used for the entire laminate.**** > > Topsides (total thickness 1.16")**** > > 1. Gelcoat**** > > 2. 1.0 oz. Chop**** > > 3. 1.0 oz. Mat**** > > 4. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > 5. 1” Aircraft Balsa Core**** > > 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > **** > > Bottom (total thickness 1.20")**** > > 1. Gelcoat**** > > 2. 1.0 oz. Chop**** > > 3. 1.0 oz. Mat**** > > 4. C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > 5. 1” Aircraft Balsa Core**** > > 6. C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat**** > > **** > > I imagine the 34R would have bee about the same.**** > > The 37+ was a bit thicker, both topsides and bottom.**** > > **** > > Ken H.**** > > **** > > On 10 October 2013 16:40, Robert Abbott <[email protected]> wrote:* > *** > > I always thought the 34R hull was made from kevlar.....am I wrong? > > Bob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > On 2013/10/10 11:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:**** > > 34R was made by a completely different company than the 99. I believe was > also not epoxy.**** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of *dwight veinot > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:33 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize.**** > > Mike**** > > The new hulls are stiff but they hole through a lot easier than the hull > of an older C&C which has solid glass reinforced polyester...Once saw a > power boat in slow reverse with the ss swim ladder supports pointing > aft...go too close to a 34R and there was a hole through the hull...rather > easy to puncture I thought**** > > **** > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Curtis > > Not really sure how the hulls are weaker. They are not made with solid > polyester based resin layup though. The C&C 99 is laid up using Epoxy > not polyester so in many respects could be considered stronger .. Or if > not stronger than certainly lighter for the equivalent amount of > strength? > > Speaking of Beneteaus. The Beneteau 367 sails well for racing and has a > huge interior for entertaining or cruising. Is priced about the same as > a C&C99 on the used market > > Mike**** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of**** > > Curtis > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. > > The 99 has a weaker hull than the C&C boats? Right > > On 10/9/13, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is a 99 one for sale in Nova Scotia. Google Scotia Coast > Yachts. > > > > Have sailed on a 99 numerous times. Is a great boat. > > > > Mike > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Marek > > Fluder > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 10:16 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize. > > > > > > I am opened for C&C 99 but there are few and far between. > > As for 33-II the admiral would prefer something newer than the 80's, > > which I do not oppose :) > > Kind regards, > > > > Marek > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 2013-10-08, at 11:33 AM, "Richard N. Bush" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > If you're looking at the 320, why not look at the C&C 99? or a > > nice 33-II ? > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > 1987 33-II, Ohio River, Mile 584 > > > >**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected]**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected]**** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected]**** > > > > > -- > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett Ave > Newport, RI > USA 02840 > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > phone +401 965 5260 **** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260
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