>> ... a far thicker laminate was used in the 60s and 70s...<

To several light weight sporty boats, I have stated in a race course voice "you 
will need a life raft before a protest flag if you go there" while making 7 
knots in our 24,000lb displacement 1971 C&C 43.  The fiberglass in the bow is 
over 1" thick (that's before the internal balsa and additional layer of glass).

We are slow in light air but that 70's style glass layup will survive a 
significant debris strike or collision.

This year's Transpac boats experienced many more debris strikes or close calls 
that prior years.  Several less experienced or non-sailors asked me about what 
boats are better at surviving or avoid a debris strike, especially at night.  I 
gave them the short version of how steel, aluminum, solid glass, light weight 
composites, and wood timber each fare against typical debris or collisions.

I have been lucky in the minor to severe collisions experienced to date.  Most 
have been logs or other wood debris.  The C&C's I have been on have always 
brought the crew home. (One 39 took a T-bone hit where the larger port tacker's 
bow bent the boom, still made it back to the dock, repaired and still sailing 
today.)  I was on one lighter composite boat that was hit by a port tacker on 
the stern quarter that poked a hole large enough to pass a 6-pack through.  We 
had to withdraw from race 1 of a 3 race series owing to water ingress.  After a 
quick dock side repair we sailed the next two days and were awarded redress and 
the average of our scores.

That smaller boat would have bounced off of Calypso.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize.

Dwight

I have raced against the 99 so many times that we have nearly collided many 
times.  Would not wish to test the theory though as my friends that own that 
particular 99 would frown on that action. On the 115 I am always aboard and 
would not like to test the theory of being holed.....

You are of course correct in that the early C&Cs like many other boats of that 
era were very sturdy as a far thicker laminate was used in the 60s and 70s than 
today as many boat builders weere still learning the strength of fibreglass 
boat construction.  You could probably pound in a nail using a section of a 35 
hull !!!

Mike


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From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dwight veinot
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:47 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking to upsize.
No matter...my gut feeling says they will still hole through a lot 
easier...impact damage...are you in a position to do a small test on that boat 
and share the results with us?

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Hoyt, Mike 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
34R was made by a completely different company than the 99.  I believe was also 
not epoxy.

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