Steve, I have UK sails on my 1991 34+. The main is dacron and the genoa is a 135 Tape Drive, both built by Scott Allen when he had the UK loft in Annapolis. Both sails have been great — the genoa in particular has been a fast sail and has retained its shape very well for over 7 years, although I’m not a racer. As Joel said, the management has changed and Scott is now with North, so I don’t know the status at UK, but I have been very pleased with their product.
Monty Scandia 1991 C&C 34+ Annapolis, MD On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Fellow C&C'rs, > > I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+. I like what I > have read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned > this brand and could give feedback? > > Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this > particular model. > > Stephen Thorne > C&C 34+ > Deja Vu > > > > On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > >> Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. remove head sink on c n c 32? (McElwreath, Daniel) >> 2. tight reaching (Pete Shelquist) >> 3. Re: tight reaching (Josh Muckley) >> 4. Re: tight reaching (Chuck S) >> 5. Re: tight reaching (cenel...@aol.com) >> 6. Re: tight reaching (Andrew Burton) >> 7. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (Richard N. Bush) >> 8. Re: Stus-Maine Cruise (davidrisch75) >> 9. Re: tight reaching (Dennis C.) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:23:43 +0000 >> From: "McElwreath, Daniel" <mcelwrea...@wpunj.edu> >> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32? >> Message-ID: >> <74ac7c951a8a93469c6e9f035d118c56223e6...@exchmbx1.unv.campus.wpunj.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the waste hose and ran >> thru the vanity in head. This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain >> pump so I had to remove that. My question: Can the head sink be removed to >> allow access? Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR. I >> have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a >> pain. I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the >> little door, and then reglassing when finished. But I know what that would >> look like. Thanks for any advice. Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/fd11f65a/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:01:51 -0500 >> From: "Pete Shelquist" <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> >> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Stus-List tight reaching >> Message-ID: <002201cfa9bc$779960c0$66cc2240$@shelqu...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight >> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of >> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in >> those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am >> looking for suggestions. >> >> >> >> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >> >> >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> 1984 C&C 37 >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/ffcfba52/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:44:34 -0400 >> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> >> To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, Pete Shelquist >> <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> Message-ID: >> <CA+zaCRBNo1O5vTdN=fcyljdw-ahpkam9gyu_rjsrbm0-jhm...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> How much backstay? How much babystay? How tight was the outhaul and >> halyards? Speed bubble in the main? How much heel? How much rudder? How >> much weight on board? Crew hiking out? When was the bottom last cleaned? >> What type of paint? You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees >> and/or let the sails breath just a bit. >> >> At 10-15 kts you should have been able to reach hull speed...~6-7kts. If >> not then something was wrong. You might even want to consider a #2 if you >> were being blown over too much. >> >> As you can see there is just no simple answer. Keep racing and you'll >> learn all of those minute characteristics. >> >> Happy to discuss off list. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> On Jul 27, 2014 1:02 PM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was >>> tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A >>> number of boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty >>> well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently >>> and am looking for suggestions. >>> >>> >>> >>> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >>> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> 1984 C&C 37 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/70995b98/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> >> To: Pete Shelquist <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net>, "CNC boat owners, >> cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> Message-ID: >> <1220713319.33262353.1406488239329.javamail.r...@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Here are a few things to consider: >> Examine the PHRF Ratings of your competition to see if they are simply >> faster designs. http://www.phrfne.org/page/567 >> Using New England ratings, your boat, a C&C 37 (1984) rates 105 >> C&C 39, PHRF 102 >> C&C 38, PHRF 102 >> Sabre 36, PHRF 117 >> Tarten Ten, PHRF 126 >> You may have trouble beating the bigger boats, but you should stay ahead of >> the Tarten 10 and the Sabre 36? If the smaller boats are catching you, it >> may be due to their boat bottoms being smoother (burnished Baltiplate) or >> better sails? >> >> I find 12 knots is the threshold when all boats achieve hullspeed in all >> directions and many boats reach faster than their PHRF ratings would imply. >> At 15 knots, older sails that can't be flattened, start creating more drag >> but are less critical in reaching mode. >> >> >> Barber hauling to the toe rail when reaching can open the slot and also >> steady the clew so the sail flaps less, maintaining pressure and power in >> the sail. I typically rig a snatchblock on the toerail and run a 30' length >> of 5/16" line thru it with a caribiner on one end. The caribiner gets >> clipped to the clew when used and clipped to the lifeline when not needed. >> The tail is brought back to whichever winch is convenient. I rig these >> before leaving the dock. You have to get your crew to see some success with >> the rig before they will accept rigging them. To pull the sail out to the >> toerail, I clip on the caribiner thru the clew and tension the line, easing >> the sheet, until I like the shape. Sometimes I keep the tension on both or >> the sheet is eased completely and the toe rail line takes the whole strain. >> The sheets remain tied to the clew, and the barberhauler needs to be >> unclipped before tacking, and some crew do not like having to remember this >> task. >> >> Trimming the main to control heel : Your boat has a very short boom and I >> wouldn't presume to know how to trim it for close reaching but would think >> it plays a role in controlling heel, while your genoa is the real >> powerhouse? The telltales on the main's leech should be streaming. The main >> trimmer may have to play the traveller constantly to maintain heel and speed >> in gusts? >> >> Boats with straighter waterlines like Tarten 10 seem faster when reaching >> than boats with curved waterlines, IOR shape. Our boat is very different, >> but I notice we excel in the lighter stuff 8 to 10 knots, especially upwind. >> Flat water and 6 knots, we can generate our own wind when pointing while >> other boats struggle. Clean bottom and good sails make a difference in these >> conditions. >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:01:51 PM >> Subject: Stus-List tight reaching >> >> >> >> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight >> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of >> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in >> those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am >> looking for suggestions. >> >> >> >> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >> >> >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> 1984 C&C 37 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/e3e70014/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:31:11 -0400 (EDT) >> From: cenel...@aol.com >> To: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net, cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> Message-ID: <8d177f0d6a7fcb7-1ee0-38...@webmail-m210.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> One idea not mentioned yet, perhaps because it is too obvious, is constant >> headsail adjustment, assuming the main is set properly. >> >> >> When I am not close-hauled (upwind or reaching), I steer a course angle or >> position on the horizon and have the head sail trimmer >> CONSTANTLY adjusting the headsail for good shape in the puffs and lulls, >> tell tales streaming, etc. using the boat speed as a measure of his success. >> >> >> >> The headsail trimmer is really driving the boat with adjustments for the >> puffs and lulls while the helmsman keeps the boat >> going in a fixed direction. In 10-15 we would have our 'heavy #1' carbon up, >> board fully down and be shooting for our hull speed of ~ 7+ knots. >> >> >> >> Close reaching is definitely not a set it and forget it racing mode. For >> long races, we have to switch the trimmer because the concentration and >> winch trimming involved can be exhausting. >> >> >> FWIW >> >> >> Charlie Nelson >> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 1:02 pm >> Subject: Stus-List tight reaching >> >> >> >> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight >> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of >> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in >> those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am >> looking for suggestions. >> >> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pete >> 1984 C&C 37 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page >> at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/9cd3e98e/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:42:25 -0400 >> From: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> >> To: "cenel...@aol.com" <cenel...@aol.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> Message-ID: <b58c6bc1-2b1e-423c-8c77-a790a56f2...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Certainly move the lead all the way outboard if you can still trim the sail >> with it there. You'll open up the slot and the boat will stand up better. >> I think I'd be inclined to err on the side of too much sail on a reach in >> order to power through the lulls. >> Ease the back stay a bit, which also opens the slot, and ease the jib >> halyard to keep the draft far enough aft when the headstay is slack. >> Maybe a little less vang on the main to match the twist in the genoa and >> keep the telltales flying. Then have your crew hike hard and trim the sails >> constantly while you drive arrow-straight. >> >> Andy >> Peregrine >> C&C 40 >> (currently Portland Maine beginning a cruise) >> >> Andrew Burton >> 61 W Narragansett >> Newport, RI >> USA 02840 >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ >> +401 965-5260 >> >>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 16:31, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> One idea not mentioned yet, perhaps because it is too obvious, is constant >>> headsail adjustment, assuming the main is set properly. >>> >>> When I am not close-hauled (upwind or reaching), I steer a course angle or >>> position on the horizon and have the head sail trimmer >>> CONSTANTLY adjusting the headsail for good shape in the puffs and lulls, >>> tell tales streaming, etc. using the boat speed as a measure of his success. >>> >>> The headsail trimmer is really driving the boat with adjustments for the >>> puffs and lulls while the helmsman keeps the boat >>> going in a fixed direction. In 10-15 we would have our 'heavy #1' carbon >>> up, board fully down and be shooting for our hull speed of ~ 7+ knots. >>> >>> Close reaching is definitely not a set it and forget it racing mode. For >>> long races, we have to switch the trimmer because the concentration and >>> winch trimming involved can be exhausting. >>> >>> FWIW >>> >>> Charlie Nelson >>> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >>> >>> >>> >>> cenel...@aol.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 1:02 pm >>> Subject: Stus-List tight reaching >>> >>> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was >>> tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A >>> number of boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty >>> well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently >>> and am looking for suggestions. >>> >>> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >>> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >>> >>> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Pete >>> 1984 C&C 37 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page >>> at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/13444bb2/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:27:58 -0400 (EDT) >> From: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com> >> To: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-Maine Cruise >> Message-ID: <8d177f8c53fb553-9e8-a...@webmail-va096.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> Andy, will you be sending a blog or other info about your cruise? (the >> answer should be yes) thanks! >> >> >> Richard >> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584 RBD; >> >> >> Richard N. Bush >> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine >> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 >> 502-584-7255 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: cenelson <cenel...@aol.com>; cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 4:44 pm >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> >> >> >> Certainly move the lead all the way outboard if you can still trim the sail >> with it there. You'll open up the slot and the boat will stand up better. >> I think I'd be inclined to err on the side of too much sail on a reach in >> order to power through the lulls. >> Ease the back stay a bit, which also opens the slot, and ease the jib >> halyard to keep the draft far enough aft when the headstay is slack. >> Maybe a little less vang on the main to match the twist in the genoa and >> keep the telltales flying. Then have your crew hike hard and trim the sails >> constantly while you drive arrow-straight. >> >> >> Andy >> Peregrine >> C&C 40 >> (currently Portland Maine beginning a cruise) >> >> Andrew Burton >> 61 W Narragansett >> Newport, RI >> USA 02840 >> >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ >> +401 965-5260 >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2014, at 16:31, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> One idea not mentioned yet, perhaps because it is too obvious, is constant >> headsail adjustment, assuming the main is set properly. >> >> >> When I am not close-hauled (upwind or reaching), I steer a course angle or >> position on the horizon and have the head sail trimmer >> CONSTANTLY adjusting the headsail for good shape in the puffs and lulls, >> tell tales streaming, etc. using the boat speed as a measure of his success. >> >> >> >> The headsail trimmer is really driving the boat with adjustments for the >> puffs and lulls while the helmsman keeps the boat >> going in a fixed direction. In 10-15 we would have our 'heavy #1' carbon up, >> board fully down and be shooting for our hull speed of ~ 7+ knots. >> >> >> >> Close reaching is definitely not a set it and forget it racing mode. For >> long races, we have to switch the trimmer because the concentration and >> winch trimming involved can be exhausting. >> >> >> FWIW >> >> >> Charlie Nelson >> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 1:02 pm >> Subject: Stus-List tight reaching >> >> >> >> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight >> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of >> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in >> those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am >> looking for suggestions. >> >> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pete >> 1984 C&C 37 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page >> at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page >> at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/203b7e7e/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:55:38 -0400 >> From: davidrisch75 <davidrisc...@msn.com> >> To: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com>, >> <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-Maine Cruise >> Message-ID: <blu404-eas157106da5b832426ab51d9fda...@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> As a kid I learned, and still adhere to the rule that when sheets are >> cracked and racing never cleat sheets. And when in doubt let it out...I find >> 80% of folks overtrim. >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >> >> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "Richard N. Bush via >> CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> </div><div>Date:07/27/2014 5:28 PM >> (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> </div><div>Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-Maine Cruise </div><div> >> </div> >> >> Andy, will you be sending a blog or other info about your cruise? (the >> answer should be yes) thanks! >> >> >> Richard >> 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584 RBD; >> >> >> Richard N. Bush >> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine >> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 >> 502-584-7255 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: cenelson <cenel...@aol.com>; cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 4:44 pm >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> >> >> >> Certainly move the lead all the way outboard if you can still trim the sail >> with it there. You'll open up the slot and the boat will stand up better. >> I think I'd be inclined to err on the side of too much sail on a reach in >> order to power through the lulls. >> Ease the back stay a bit, which also opens the slot, and ease the jib >> halyard to keep the draft far enough aft when the headstay is slack. >> Maybe a little less vang on the main to match the twist in the genoa and >> keep the telltales flying. Then have your crew hike hard and trim the sails >> constantly while you drive arrow-straight. >> >> >> Andy >> Peregrine >> C&C 40 >> (currently Portland Maine beginning a cruise) >> >> Andrew Burton >> 61 W Narragansett >> Newport, RI >> USA 02840 >> >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ >> +401 965-5260 >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2014, at 16:31, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> One idea not mentioned yet, perhaps because it is too obvious, is constant >> headsail adjustment, assuming the main is set properly. >> >> >> When I am not close-hauled (upwind or reaching), I steer a course angle or >> position on the horizon and have the head sail trimmer >> CONSTANTLY adjusting the headsail for good shape in the puffs and lulls, >> tell tales streaming, etc. using the boat speed as a measure of his success. >> >> >> >> The headsail trimmer is really driving the boat with adjustments for the >> puffs and lulls while the helmsman keeps the boat >> going in a fixed direction. In 10-15 we would have our 'heavy #1' carbon up, >> board fully down and be shooting for our hull speed of ~ 7+ knots. >> >> >> >> Close reaching is definitely not a set it and forget it racing mode. For >> long races, we have to switch the trimmer because the concentration and >> winch trimming involved can be exhausting. >> >> >> FWIW >> >> >> Charlie Nelson >> 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb >> >> >> >> >> >> cenel...@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 1:02 pm >> Subject: Stus-List tight reaching >> >> >> >> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight >> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A number of >> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in >> those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am >> looking for suggestions. >> >> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pete >> 1984 C&C 37 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page >> at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page >> at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/6c03128d/attachment-0001.html> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:45:13 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> >> To: Pete Shelquist <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net>, CnClist >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List tight reaching >> Message-ID: >> <canir+ytrmyzxutmszkk2yfhd24ohauay2-ewbpncqhe0izo...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Actually, you might mean you tried outboard sheeting, not a Barber hauler. >> On Touche' we go to outboard sheeting very quickly to open the slot. >> >> As soon as the headsail clew lifts above the lifelines and the jibsheet >> touches the lifelines, we're rigging a snatch block to the toe rail and >> attaching the outboard sheet. Our outboard sheet has a snapshackle for >> easy attachment to and release from the headsail clew. We lead it to our >> secondary winches. We leave the jibsheet inactive on the primaries ready >> to go if we need to trim in to go up. >> >> We locate the snatch block slightly forward of the jib car. >> >> We ease luff tensions to move drafts aft. Set the vang to keep the top >> batten parallel to centerline. Leech tell tales should be streaming aft. >> >> In the heavier air conditions you described, I'd be thinking about trimming >> the main with the vang to maintain heel. Twist off the top to keep the >> boat on its feet and the keel lifting. Play the traveler if you experience >> weather helm. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was >>> tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze. We had our heavy #1 up. A >>> number of boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty >>> well in those conditions. I obviously need to trim the sails differently >>> and am looking for suggestions. >>> >>> >>> >>> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber >>> hauling. We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> 1984 C&C 37 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140727/931c0642/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CnC-List mailing list >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 102, Issue 68 >> ***************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
