>... issue of flooding the engine with water (hydro lock) by the following seas.

This happened to me on a delivery from Hawaii to Seattle.  The boat is a custom 
46' that was a bit tired from many trips between New Zealand and Tonga.  I flew 
into Honolulu with my delivery crew to take over for the owner who sailed it 
from Tonga to Hawaii.

Before departing Honolulu I did notice some engine starting and idling issues 
mostly related to the high hours and low maintenance.  As it was Labor Day 
weekend I could not arrange for a competent diesel mechanic to visit the marina 
and the crew's time commitments were counting down.  I decided that it should 
be OK and to quote Cap't Ron "if anything is going to happen, it'll happen out 
there boss".

The exhaust riser/vent loop brackets had failed allowing the exhaust hose to 
lay below the water line when heeled on a stbd tack.  Two days out of Honolulu 
sailing on stbd and charging the batteries the sea water pressure overcame the 
weak exhaust flow (failing valve springs and other compression issues) and the 
engine stalled.  Not knowing why I attempted to re-start and the sea water from 
the water lift muffler backed up into the engine to create a hydro lock.

We were able to affect repairs enough to recharge batteries, refrigeration, and 
motor very slowly in light air.  The NE Pacific of September of 1993 had a lot 
of light air.  The boat did get to Seattle but it took 23 days not the 15 to 17 
planned.  Fortunately the fishing was good so we had plenty of food, we had 
just enough fresh water, and had lots of diesel left over.

Vent loops in any hose that discharges near the water and keeping the exhaust 
hose higher than the heeled water line are a good idea.  A good check valve in 
working order may help prevent bilge flooding from a syphon but having and 
maintaining the vent loop(s) add an extra safety margin.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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If I were you , I would install an anti-siphon loop first and then think of the 
check valve.

Most of us don't sail in really heavy weather conditions, so this may not 
apply, but I read somewhere about an issue of flooding the engine with water 
(hydrolock) by the following seas. The guy ended up installing a manual cut-off 
valve on the exit of his exhaust to prevent it. I guess this would make sense 
only if you are making long enough passages.

Marek
1994 C270 "Legato"
Ottawa

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We had a discussion a few years back about whether or not to have a check valve 
on the bilge pump outlet hose and as a result, I removed the valve from mine.  
All has been fine since.  Yesterday, while motoring for a long ways down the 
river, I noticed that the bilge was filling with water.  I pumped it out and 
the water immediately returned.  I pulled the pump out of the bilge, and water 
was pouring into the bilge through the pump.  When I lifted it, the flow 
stopped so it seemed to be siphoning/flowing through the bilge pump exit line, 
which is in the transom and when motoring, looks to be under water.  I have not 
checked yet to see if there is an anti-siphon loop.   I am guessing that this 
is one of the functions of the one way valve that was there before, but I can't 
figure out why it never happened before.  The Whale 500 pump does not 
specifically say it has a check valve, but perhaps it does and it stopped 
working?  I had an oil spill into the bilge last winter and so maybe that is 
causing problems.  I plan to reinstall a check valve in the line so this does 
not happen again.  Any other thoughts?  Thanks- Dave


Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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