All this info is very helpful. Thank you all for contributing. I still think a table will clarify things for everyone - and then allow me to rotate positions to get everyone familiar with the entire process.
I have one further question re spinnaker trim. My spin sheets go to snatch block on the toe rail at the transom. Is there a recommended / best way on the 35III specifically to lead the sheet to the trimmer who is standing by the shrouds. Should I forget the secondaries (forward of primaries) and use one of the small winches on the same side as the snatch block , or cross the cockpit to a small winch on the same side as the trimmer. Doesn't seem to make sense to use the secondaries for the sheets - but use them only for the guys - am I correct there ? -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:39, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Jonathan, > I'm usually driving, and Jake and others can correct me as needed. > > I added a cam cleat on the mast for the halyard without the nice gizmo Dennis > has. The mast man hoists and cleats the halyard there. Once everything is > under control, the pit man pulls the halyard tight so he can release the > halyard on the douse. > > The set is pretty standard. If your track goes close to the deck your mast > man can attach it the pole when you get near the windward mark. Guy in the > jaws. On the final approach,bowman attaches topping lift. Mast man raises > inboard end. Pit raises outboard end. Pit preefeeds guy and hands it off to > trimmer. After the mark, bear off, mastmand hoists with help from bow. > Trimmer trims, someone furls jib. > > Gybe: Mastman trips pole, raises inboard end; pit drops outboard end. Bow > centers pole, attaches new guy, yells MADE, Pit raises pole, mast drops > inboard end while guy trimmer trims. (sounds simple!) > > Douse - leeward, Unfurl jib, open hatch. pit drops pole slightly if needed, > mast trips pole to release guy. Mast and bow grab chute, yell READY. Guy is > released, pit drops halyard without letting chute hit the water. > mast and pit get pole on deck, make sure you are clear to tack. > > Hope this helps. > > Joel > >> On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Joel Yes I am dip pole gybing. My pole does not have the bridles necessary >> for end to end and the ends are quite different with one end set up for the >> ring on the mast and the other with jaws that automatically close when the >> plate inside is pushed down by the guy. >> >> -- >> Jonathan >> Indigo C&C 35III >> SOUTHPORT CT >> >>> On Aug 16, 2015, at 08:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> Are you dip pole gybing? >>> >>> Joel >>> >>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Josh >>>> I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew >>>> regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but >>>> very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a >>>> specific list of "jobs" to focus on there will be less confusion and less >>>> chance of mistakes. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonathan >>>> Indigo C&C 35III >>>> SOUTHPORT CT >>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing >>>>> positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after >>>>> week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. >>>>> For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since >>>>> they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. >>>>> >>>>> More helpful than a "jobs list" is practice. Our crew would arrange >>>>> practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus >>>>> on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. >>>>> You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Muckley >>>>> S/V Sea Hawk >>>>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>>>> Solomons, MD >>>>> >>>>> I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it >>>>> comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently >>>>> into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. >>>>> >>>>> I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities >>>>> to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them >>>>> well >>>>> >>>>> I think I have the "standard" set up for 35mk iii s >>>>> >>>>> Roller furled jib >>>>> Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on >>>>> port side >>>>> I use guys and sheets - no twings >>>>> Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top >>>>> Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit >>>>> coming >>>>> Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward >>>>> >>>>> I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments >>>>> for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra >>>>> available. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a >>>>> table with "positions" in the left column and then a series of columns >>>>> for "upwind" "hoist" "trim" "gybe" "douse" etc. and then each cell would >>>>> define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. >>>>> >>>>> While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout >>>>> requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each >>>>> other's way >>>>> >>>>> Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting >>>>> point? >>>>> >>>>> As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom >>>>> of this group. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> Indigo C&C 35III >>>>> SOUTHPORT CT >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Email address: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>>> bottom of page at: >>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Email address: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>>> bottom of page at: >>>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joel >>> 301 541 8551 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> [email protected] >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > [email protected] > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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