On my boat, the primaries are the non-self tailing larger (Barient 28) winches that are forward, and the secondaries are the smaller (Barient 23) self-tailing winches aft. My trimmer stands at the shrouds so he can see the curl of the spinnaker. We put one or two wraps on the secondary winch, and the cockpit crew can help at the winch when the wind is too strong for the trimmer to trim unassisted.
Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR All this info is very helpful. Thank you all for contributing. I still think a table will clarify things for everyone - and then allow me to rotate positions to get everyone familiar with the entire process. I have one further question re spinnaker trim. My spin sheets go to snatch block on the toe rail at the transom. Is there a recommended / best way on the 35III specifically to lead the sheet to the trimmer who is standing by the shrouds. Should I forget the secondaries (forward of primaries) and use one of the small winches on the same side as the snatch block , or cross the cockpit to a small winch on the same side as the trimmer. Doesn't seem to make sense to use the secondaries for the sheets - but use them only for the guys - am I correct there ? -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:39, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < [email protected] > wrote: Jonathan, I'm usually driving, and Jake and others can correct me as needed. I added a cam cleat on the mast for the halyard without the nice gizmo Dennis has. The mast man hoists and cleats the halyard there. Once everything is under control, the pit man pulls the halyard tight so he can release the halyard on the douse. The set is pretty standard. If your track goes close to the deck your mast man can attach it the pole when you get near the windward mark. Guy in the jaws. On the final approach,bowman attaches topping lift. Mast man raises inboard end. Pit raises outboard end. Pit preefeeds guy and hands it off to trimmer. After the mark, bear off, mastmand hoists with help from bow. Trimmer trims, someone furls jib. Gybe: Mastman trips pole, raises inboard end; pit drops outboard end. Bow centers pole, attaches new guy, yells MADE, Pit raises pole, mast drops inboard end while guy trimmer trims. (sounds simple!) Douse - leeward, Unfurl jib, open hatch. pit drops pole slightly if needed, mast trips pole to release guy. Mast and bow grab chute, yell READY. Guy is released, pit drops halyard without letting chute hit the water. mast and pit get pole on deck, make sure you are clear to tack. Hope this helps. Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Joel Yes I am dip pole gybing. My pole does not have the bridles necessary for end to end and the ends are quite different with one end set up for the ring on the mast and the other with jaws that automatically close when the plate inside is pushed down by the guy. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 08:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Jonathan Are you dip pole gybing? Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of "jobs" to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < [email protected] > wrote: <blockquote> Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a "jobs list" is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the "standard" set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with "positions" in the left column and then a series of columns for "upwind" "hoist" "trim" "gybe" "douse" etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT _______________________________________________ Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com <blockquote> _______________________________________________ Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com </blockquote> </blockquote> -- Joel 301 541 8551 </blockquote> <blockquote> _______________________________________________ Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com </blockquote> </blockquote> -- Joel 301 541 8551 </blockquote> <blockquote> _______________________________________________ Email address: [email protected] To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com </blockquote>
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