Hi All, I’m purchasing a Landfall 35 that has a brand new gennaker but no sock or snuffer. From several forum posts, I’m reading that using a sock can be a bit challenging and can easily foul midway through the hoist or douse if care isn’t taken to keep lines clear. Any recommendations? Can one assume that the ATN or North products work equally well (or poorly)? Most of the sailhandling with be done double handed with the help of my teenage son, thus the reason for the post. The main and jib halyards are run aft to the cockpit, but I believe the spin halyard stays up by the mast, something I may likely change. The new boat is on the hard, mast down and there aren’t any winches on the mast (only on the boom for outhaul and reefing). From the factory, this boat has two dedicated halyard winches and cleats (not clutches) on the coach roof with pass through holes in the cockpit coaming for the main and jib halyards, but not seeing anything obvious for the spin halyard.
Thanks in advance for any feedback from sock users… Chuck Gilchrest S/V Half Magic 1975 25 Mk1 S/V Orion 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lines led forward My spin halyards are led from the exit boxes up high on the mast, then through a clutch and down to a block at the base of the mast and to the winch on either side of the mast. I have three winches at the mast base; one dedicated for the main halyard and one for the spin or jib on each side. Clutches are my friend. I like the spin halyard arrangement. I can hoist the asym in the sock and make sure it goes up clean and when it's time to douse, I can ease it down straight into the bag. I mostly cruise, but this works well for racing, too. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Newport, RI Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Dec 21, 2015, at 19:48, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > The question next is what to do about the spinnaker halyard. I can probably > make a case for it being forward in some configuration given that my wife and > I will be using a cruising A-sym with a sock and that would only be in > lightish air. On Calypso and our last boat (a C&C 36) we had the spin halyard forward so 1 person is able to hoist/dowse with the spin sock. Calypso’s full size spin, even in a ATN sock is a hand full in TWS above 15. Both hoisting and dropping, in the sock, is easier on a run. Avoid either on a reach. Early in our double-handed racing I got a bit too fancy with my leeward mark rounding tactics and was nearly dragged off the foredeck by the sock’s windage. Back when we had the 36, the cruising A-sym in a sock was easy to handle in any conditions that a spinnaker would be needed. Having the halyard forward allowed me to hold it in one hand and use the other to wrangle the sock onto the foredeck. Both the ATN sock(s) and the cuff that goes over a rolled up headsail for the A-sym tack have worked well. For Calypso I wish there had been a carbon fiber hoop option back in 1999 when we purchased our sock. The large size fiberglass version is a bit heavy. Maybe after I finish Calypso’s deck rebuild I will fabricate a carbon hoop at home. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle <image001.png> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 4:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dave Godwin Subject: Re: Stus-List Lines led forward These observations bring me back to the realities of halyard/reef management with lines led aft versus forward. “Forward” on larger boats generally means winches mounted on the mast in-line with the halyards with appropriate line-stoppers. With this configuration, and suitable bracing, reefing the main in rough weather is pretty “safe” and in my experience faster and more efficient. I’m afraid that my 37’ just doesn’t quite make the grade in terms of a larger,more stable boat, much that I might wish otherwise. And what I am trying to achieve is less clutter in the cockpit which is at odds with safety considerations. I have no intention nor do I think if would be very feasible to mount winches on my mast. This leaves me with the prospect of moving the mechanical advantage away from the mast to a position in the middle of the boat. That modification right away eliminates the ability for one person to quickly pull in a reef from a single location. With that in mind, it may devolve down to moving the both the jib halyards forward. I don’t race this boat nor will I ever and after the furling jib is hoisted the 1st jib halyard is rarely touched unless there is a pressing need to adjust luff tension. The 2nd jib halyard remains dormant for the season and is reserved for emergency duties. Inside/outside peels are thing of the past… Right now a quick analysis leads to keeping the main halyard, 1st and 2nd reefing lines led aft to the cockpit. One winch for the main halyard and one for the mainsheet which will reduce the winch farm from four to two. Reefing lines led to the “unloaded” main halyard winch after the main has been placed in the tack horn and secured by one of several line stoppers. The question next is what to do about the spinnaker halyard. I can probably make a case for it being forward in some configuration given that my wife and I will be using a cruising A-sym with a sock and that would only be in lightish air. The symmetrical has been retired and most likely the spinnaker pole will continue to reside in the rafters of my shed. Much as I keep thinking about moving back to winch farms on the deck, that is an artifact from the old IOR/Tonner days with lot’s of young agile crew. I dunno, clearly it’s still a moving target for me. More crumpled up pieces of paper with deck layout designs in the trash can. Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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