Way better priced than I thought! http://www.defender.com/pontos.jsp
Josh On Aug 26, 2016 1:04 PM, "Rjcasciato via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks Josh…….have you seen any pricing for the 4 speeds? Ron > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 12:41 PM > *To:* C&C List > *Cc:* Josh Muckley > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII > > > > Those 4 speed auto jobs shift at roughly a comfortable 25 lbs! > > Josh > > On Aug 26, 2016 12:35 PM, "Rick Brass via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > One occasionally sees Barient 36’s on EBay for a grand or so each. The 36 > has a power ratio of around 62, which according to the Harken formula I > mentioned would bring the force on the end of the winch handle to about 55 > pounds for my 135. > > > > The Lewmar EVO65ST’s on Defender at a bit under $3k each would be pricey > (though a lot less than Harkens), but would do the job you want. > > > > You can buy Barient 32 non-self-tailers on EBay pretty reasonably. And get > 32ST conversion kits from Winchmate for $650 per winch. So you might be > able to put 32ST’s in place of the 28ST’s for something like $2500 all up. > The bases on my 32s are almost the same diameter as the 28s. Move the 28s > and use them for your spinnaker – for which they work well. > > > > I have the same situation as you do with the lifelines being close to the > winches. So I use the double grip winch handles for trimming to assist the > grinder. Don’t do diddly for single handing. I did move my stanchions out > to the toerail, which made for slightly more clearance, but using a long > winch handle is still problematic. > > > > Have you thought about using some of your resources to recruit a couple of > “winch apes” from a local college, rather than spending big bucks to > upgrade the winches? Tell them it’s cross-fit training and will get them a > spot on one of those TV reality shows. > > > > Some old information from Harken indicated that the average male could > exert a max of around 50 pounds in a horizontal direction, about 75-100 > pulling up, and 125-150 pulling down (IIRC, Though I’m certain of the 50 > pound number). The information about selecting winches from the Harken site > currently recommends keeping the force level around 35 for longer term > comfort and a mixed sex crew. > > > > BTW, the formula on the Harken Website is: > > > > (Sail Area X 6) / Power ratio = Force or (Sail Area X > 6) /force = power ratio > > > > > > Rick Brass > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > *rjcasciato > via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 11:41 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* rjcasciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII > > > > Thanks Rick and Josh... > > > > To correct my earlier post...my current winches are Barient 28ST's.....the > width of the winch coming is 9" and the winch base measures at 8.5" now. > The lower life line is about 9" from the center of the winch... > > > > So the situation on by boat is.....she is set up to race only.....she was > sailed by a nice old couple on the way to church once a week during the mid > 80's up to 1997. When I bought her in 1997, I started an almost annual > process of upgrading .....the boat now not only looks great, but races very > well to her rating in PHRF. > > These winches are original to the boat (1977) and have been rebuilt at > least once by me.... > > > > We sail with a Pentax 155 and a full batten main .....also a 135 and a 110. > > > > It takes a gorilla to bring the 155 in when tacking in anything over 8kts. > > > > I like the idea of longer handles but there's the issue of hitting the > lifelines, etc. > > > > I just think it's time to move on to a modern winch...... > > Harken is the obvious choice, but I thought there might be an alternative > to their pricing.. > > Weight is also a religion on my boat, so big heavy and chrome don't make > it.... > > > > Thanks again > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > Date: 8/26/16 12:18 AM (GMT-05:00) > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Cc: Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII > > > > 38ST’s? Those must be huge. > > > > I replaced the old Merriman 33 primaries on Imzadi with Barient 32s > (equivalent to Anderson/Lewmar/Harken 58 or 56), and I’m in the process of > upgrading to 32ST’s to make single handing easier. > > > > But even with these big winches cranking in the 155 was a chore. The 135 > headsail I now use is easier, but I can’t imagine that I would want > anything smaller unless I was limiting the size of the headsail to 100 or > 110 and not going out in winds of 20 apparent or more. > > > > I’ve tried using the Barient 28 secondaries (equivalent to Harken 52s) to > trim the headsail a few times. The bigger winched are noticeably easier. > > > > Harken recommends a formula based on sail area to calculate the target > power ratio of new winches. Based on a 400 sq. ft. headsail (100% on our > boats) and a pull of 35 pounds on the winch handle, Harken 68’s are the > right size for our boats. My 135 is 562 sq. ft., which means the load on > the end of the winch handle can be as high as 60 pounds with my current > winches. I’d definitely stick with the big winches. > > > > So why are you replacing your big winches? Are they worn out beyond > redemption? > > > > Rick Brass > > *Imzadi *C&C 38 mk 2 > > *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1 > > Washington, NC > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rjcasciato via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:34 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Rjcasciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New Subject. Winch replacement for a C&C 38MKII > > > > Hoping there is some help and advice out there among the group. > > > > I’m going to replace my primary winches on Impromptu over the winter. > Currently, I have a pair of Barient 38ST’s. While I think it would be nice > to try a 3 speed…….I’m sure that price is prohibitive. > > > > So given the size of the current winches………….who has had some good > experience with other manufacturers and keeping value in mind, any > recommendations. > > > > The boat is used primarily for PHRF racing………but like most of , the crew > is aging gracefully………..and I’d like to keep it that way. > > > > Thanks for your input and insight. > > > > Ron C. > > Impromptu > > C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > >
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