Have used ST60 speed/depth/wind on the last number of boats that we sailed on 
extensively.  Robust instruments and easy to use.  Only issue was the 
connectors on the back had to be replaced on the wire ends after a few years 
(annoyance).  Used B&G for a bit with current boat when we bought it and really 
did not like them.  Displays were starting to fail and absolutely no way to 
replace with newer model displays so built in obsolescence.  Also very 

I won’t speak to the plotters, radars and other instruments but I have always 
liked these three standard sailing instruments.  Our current i50/i60 series are 
also very nice but do not look to be built as ruggedly as the ST50 / ST60 

I am also not a fan of having an iPad floating around in the cockpit.  Nav 
station yes, cockpit no.  If I was to be dependent on a device such as an iPad 
and it got knocked around or overboard in rough weather that would at the very 
least be a distraction.  Very nice for redundant system but I cannot see it 
being a primary system until it is made to the same rugged standards as 
existing instrumentation.

My $0.02


Raymarine i50/i60 speed, depth, wind
Raymarine wheel pilot
Garmin GPSMAP 740
Standard Horizon GX2200 with AIS display and ram mic
Ramarine a65
KVH Sailcomp
Microsoft Surface with Navionics

From: CnC-List [] On Behalf Of Pete 
Shelquist via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:59 AM
Cc: Pete Shelquist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot 

You raymarine guys kill me.  Defend it to the end and drag others down when 
it's obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends don't 
let friends buy raymarine.

Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to leave 
the raymarine dark side :

"The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network 
Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected to. 
The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which will allow 
and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at least 300MB up to 
2GB of space is also required.

To create the update SD card, please follow these instructions:

Download the latest update from the Marine Software Update Page to your desktop
Double-click the file on the desktop
When the window titled Marine Product Software Update appears, click the Next 
Choose the drive letter that is assigned to the SD card reader
Click the Next button
Once the update is completed, click the Finish button
Take the SD card and the NMEA 2000 Network Updater to the boat. To connect the 
NMEA 2000 Network Updater into the NMEA 2000 network, please follow these 

Connect the NMEA 2000 Network Updater's cable to the T-Connector it came with
Disconnect two T-Connectors in the NMEA 2000 network on the boat
Connect the Network Updater's T-Connector to both of the disconnected 
T-Connectors from step 2
To update the NMEA 2000 network, power on the NMEA 2000 network and all 
accessories and insert the SD card into the NMEA 2000 Network Updater.

To know when the update is complete, please review the color of the LED on the 
NMEA 2000 Network Updater:

Red - Error, no card inserted, or no update on card
Orange - Update in progress
Green - Update completed successfully
Once the update is complete, the SD card can be removed from the Updater and 
all Garmin NMEA 2000 connected devices and accessories will be up to date."


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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:40 AM -0500, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" 
<<>> wrote:
I think Dave’s gripe had more to do with upgrading things other than the MFD; 
things like instruments and autopilots.  And having to do those through an MFD 
from the same manufacturer.

I don’t think I’d want to be able to upgrade a Raymarine autopilot through a 
Garmin MFD; Garmin might just sabotage the process…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
<<>> wrote:

My ray eS7 does the same ……

Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C&C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club

From: CnC-List [] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:23 AM
Cc: Hoyt, Mike <<>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot 

My Garmin GPSMap 740 plotter uses a SD Card to update firmware after 
downloading the file to the SD card from a computer which in turn gets the file 
from the internet.

Halifax, NS


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