Hi Rob,
Enjoyed your dissertation on sails.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in our joint venture with North Sails on the MEGA
, didn't we provide North Sails with the boat ? Or at least offered them ?
Between you as the design project manager and me as the sales/marketing project
manager, and in spite of our advancing age and failing memories, one of us
should be able to remember :)
Regarding the other question raised : I think I can shed some light. One of
the dealers I handled was Dave Irish at Irish Boat Shop in Harbor Springs, MI
on Lake Michigan's Grand Traverse Bay. Dave was very good racing sailor and
was crew on at least one or two of our Americas Cup 12 Meter teams. He was also
a senior national officer in what now has become US Sailing. Jack Culley at
Sailboats, Inc. was having such good success selling C&C's that he told Dave he
should talk to me. I flew out, we talked and I set him up as a C&C dealer
sometime around 1978 or 79. He sold a number of boats for us on the eastern
shore of the lake. Dave had a small loft in conjunction with his dealership and
boat yards. He sold them under the "Irish Sails" label. I suspect that is what
the gentleman is referring to.
As you may recall, when I first joined C&C in 1977, you were the one who spent
several hours explaining to a rookie salesman the basics of NACA foils, the
details of our unique hull/deck joint and many of the other engineering
parameters we were using to design and build fast boats. That knowledge helped
me sell a lot of C&C's over my years with the company. I always enjoy reading
your perspectives on design, the industry and C&C Yachts.
Cheers,
Hank
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 6:10 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Randy,
C&C did not supply sails as part of the purchase of a new boat. That practice
started much later and was certainly the case when I was with Hunter.
Sailmakers competed to supply sails to the individual C&C owners, sometimes
through the dealers. While with C&C I had the pleasure of sailing Bermuda Races
with Charlie Ulmer and Dave Lindsey of Ulmer Sails, Block Island Race week with
John Marshall and Hans Fogh of North Sails, Onion Patch with Robby Doyle, and
many other events with other talented sailmakers from a number of different
brands.
A lot of C&Cs were sold on the Lakes, and a lot of those Great Lakes sailmakers
supplied early sails, but not necessarily through C&C. However, that being
said, C&C maintained a good working relationship with a number of individual
sailmakers as stated above, and if asked for advice by the new boat owner,
could direct them or even introduce them to those individuals. If a sailmaker
was supplying winning sails and was willing to work to make C&Cs perform on the
race course, then a recommendation would be beneficial for all parties
involved.
I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about a sail brand called Irish.
Rob
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 1:36 PM, RANDY <[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you for those interesting details Rob. I've always wondered about the
makers of the sails that came in my boat's inventory (C&C 30 MK I hull #7,
built September 1972). Thanks to your comment I now know about Hood Sails and
Ed Botterell. I've got a #1 genoa (~165%) and a storm jib from Hood Sails.
I've also got a working jib and a short (spinnaker pole topping lift) staysail
from Boston Sails presumably of Sarnia, Ontario (http://www.doyleboston.com/
about.html).
Was it common for early C&Cs to be fitted with sails from those Lake Ontario
-area sailmakers? Anyone ever heard of a sailmaker named "Irish"? (that's the
logo on my mainsail, which according to the year stamped on its sail bag was
made in 1982).
Best Regards,
Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC&C 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO
From: "Robert Mazza via CnC-List" <[email protected]>
To: "C&C Mailing List" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Robert Mazza" <[email protected]>, "Martin DeYoung"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 10:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1973 custom C&C 43' - hull/deck joint (toe rail
replacement?)
Violeta,
One of the photos from Martin's link is quite historic (they are all historic,
of course, but one more than the others). See attached. It shows Blair Vedder
(owner), Erich Bruckmann (builder), Mark Ellis (C&C custom sales), and Ed
Botterell (Hood sialimaker). I wish I had a higher resolution copy of this
photo.
Rob Mazza
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