Hi Joe,
Yea but, the right thing to do is, when you realize the condition is far
more difficult to address, is call the owner and keep them in the loop.
If the boat is sitting in the yard and accessible, there is no reason
not to go assess the condition. I mean, I'd never have given an
estimate on a plumbing job without having gone to look. Then if
something gets uncovered during the project you let the owner know what
you've found immediatly and make them a part of the decision making.
If you had gone and looked at the guys battery compartment ahead of
time, would you have been able to see that there would be extra work?
Like I said those guys at my last Marina did exactly that. i ask if if
they would quote something, I'd get a response that he would go look at
it and he would give a quick rundown of his observation and work up a
number with, maybe, some note about something he thought might give some
trouble. Oh and he torqued my keel bolts on the Viking no charge! LOL
I'd still be there but, they said they weren't comfortable pulling the
stick with the furling boom track on the back of the mast...
Danny
On 6/12/2017 11:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
The first time I needed to tighten my keelbolts, Port Annapolis gave
me a big socket wrench and said have at it - $0.00 J5 hours seems 4
too high just to tighten a few bolts!
That said, and having once been in the business, estimating jobs on
boats is incredibly hard to do. Imagine all the times the “5 minute
job” involved snapping corroded bolts, wire that crumbles in your
hand, etc. etc.. We once had a job to swap batteries out on a
motoryacht. How hard could that be? Old ones out, new ones in, call it
an hour or two if I have to drive. It turned out to be 6 hours times
two people for a 12 hour bill. The old batteries had all cracked,
there was acid everywhere, and the batteries were located outboard of
the engines with fingertip access for 8D batteries. The owner was
irate until I offered to put the old batteries and acid back in place.
I told him if he could recruit a friend and change the batteries out
faster than we did I would give him the new batteries for FREE and no
labor either. I think showing him the acid burns on my arms helped –
he paid the bill right then LOL
Joe
Coquina
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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&c 40 bolts
well,
I guess if you add in the time the guy took to listen to the request,
then, the time it took to find the guy to do the job and tell him
about it, and then the time it took to go get the tools and go to the
boat and climb on board, take a nap, then tighten the bolts and fill
out the time slip, I guess it could go 5 hours...
The yard I'm at now seems unwilling to give prices for projects. They
just want your work at time and material. so, there is no risk on
their part and no pressure on their guys to work efficiently. I
consider this a DIY yard now. You know, if they didn't charge the
full rate for everyone the pricing might be a bit more fair but, they
want full rate on anything they do. I mean, obviously, they don't
need the work or, they would be better at pricing. I know in
construction, when the pricing does not make any sense, the contractor
doesn't really want your work but, will take it if the reward is high
enough.
I asked for a price recently on touching up bottom paint and all I got
was, "yes, we do that for you..." No price, no estimate, no thanks!
Here is the amazing thing to me. boats are a true luxury, no one
NEEDS a boat. Most of us have limited budgets to spend on them and
(at least me Lately!) wonder if it is even worth it, financially, to
own a boat. Given the the short season around here, the monthly cost
is pretty high. Then, you have these boat service places that just
want to pry as much from your hands as possible.
I have to say, I really miss FL Tipps in westport, ma. We had some
issues but, they did run things like a real service company. Accurate
quotes that they stood by. Discounts for scheduling early for winter
work. Fair pricing on time and material work. No labor padding.
When you store there, they don't charge for moving your boat, they
don;t charge for moving your mast so you can work on it. I've
actually gotten labor bills for 1 hour or part of an hour.
Where I am now, they charge you for even thinking about your boat it
seems!
Danny
On 6/12/2017 9:33 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote:
Did that include pulling the mast to get at the one under the step?
If not, 5 hours is about 4 hours too long for that job! Just went
through it myself last year. They might want two guys to do it,
so I would compromise with them and say you'll pay for two hours.
Otherwise I would be shouting from the rooftops and raising holy
hell with them. Five hours to tighten 5 nuts?! Tell them you'll
ensure they get lots of publicity for their expertise in fleecing
their customers. Then get the heck out of that place!
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:41 AM, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi guys
Before I speak to the yard. About charging me 5 hours to
torque my 5 bolts 3 large at 450ft/lbs that I fully exposed
i.e. Moved wires removed cabin table and covers cleared
water from bildge
just wondering what the avg time charged or if it takes
multiple guys to do this job
Peter
Goonie island C&c 40 1983 aft cabin
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